It is an interesting story.   

Why would the examiner be ashamed of something he obviously believes in?  Do you truly believe he is deliberately lying to the kids?   

I understand attacking the underlying scientific basis for polygraph exams, but I don't think trying to demonize examiners will win many friends or influence many people.   

EosJupiter,

Well, you really didn't address the questions I posed.  Do you believe the officer intentionally lied and misled the children?  If he himself truly believes that polygraph works, I would think he is not "lying" to them.  It's more like the blind leading the blind. 

In the story of "The Emporer's New Clothes", the Emporer is being purposely misled.  So, I don't really see the correlation here.  ???

Now you are telling me to take a polygraph?  Are you nuts?  You think after all the information I have read here I would actually want to do that.    Now who is misleading who?  And really, do I have to stick my hand in a blender to realize it probably isn't in my best interests?   

Also, you falsely assume I sell insurance.  Hmmmm! Get your facts straight!  Re-read all my posts and see if you can even guess at what my "real" job is in the insurance industry.  Good Luck!

There is this big disclaimer on this site which says Quote:
  I tend to think that was pretty good advice.  But, I'll tell you what, if you can guess my "real" job, I'll e-mail you privatly to let you know if you got it right.   

Well, have fun guessing.....

George,

Did you read the article?  I'm not suggesting what he told the class was correct or accurate, but if he believed it to be true, then he isn't purposely misleading or lying to the class.  Therefore, he has nothing to be "ashamed" of.   

In EosJupiter's orignial post, he gives the impression that this LEO is some kind of monster who deserves a fate worse than death.  At least that's how it came across to me.  I'm just asking you guys to tone it down a bit.  Again, you aren't going to make any points with the general public by being seen as "Radical Extremists."  You will get a few converts here and there, but the general public will always shun the radical elements in society.   

Mercible

George,

Like the new photo.   

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It was a rhetorical question.  Of course I realize you read the article, I was just wondering if you "read" it the same context that I did.  I mean, he is giving a demonstration to a bunch of seventh graders.  Of course he isn't going to go in to any deep discussion on the limitations of polygraph.  Besides, many of the comments in the article seem to be comments that would have been made to the writer of the article outside of the classroom discussion the investigator had with the students.   

Now, if he was giving a presentation to a group of scholars, such as law students or psychology majors, I'd expect him to be willing to go into much greater detail and provide examples of polygraph's limitations that he is aware of.  If he didn't, I'm sure they would have torn him apart in the Q&A session after the presentation.   

I'm not disputing that you think the investigator is wrong in his statements, just that I don't think he went into that classroom with the malicious intent to "pull the wool" over the students eyes.  They were learning about the different methods and tools that law enforcement uses to investigate crimes.  This is just one method.  Right or Wrong, it is a tool used by law enforcement today. 

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Yes, I'm sure you do agree with his assessment, but you get to the heart of the matter when you advise you prefer a milder tone.  So do I, and that's the only reason I objected to his post to begin with.  I know he feels very strongly that polygraph is "Quackery" or "Junk Science."  However, I felt there was a better way to voice that opinion rather than a direct attack on the examiner.  Maybe he should have attacked the Newspaper and the author of the article for not adding a paragraph about the opposing view on polygraph.   

Anyhow, I hope you realize, I'm not attacking your beliefs and views on polygraph.  I am interested in the issues but feel the only way you will move your agenda forward is to temper the discussion.  I know that's hard to do in an open forum such as this, but for some stupid reason, I feel compelled to try.     

There’s an easy way to put an end to shenanigans like this, and for good.

All it will take is a bunch of sixth graders in a gifted and talented class somewhere, a copy of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and a well-placed call to a local polygrapher inviting him in to do a demo (preferably in front of a large assembly in the auditorium with the whole school there).

Twenty minutes and a little bit of countermeasures later, and I doubt that we’ll see this type of stuff again as soon as word goes around.

Nothing like seeing a grown man made an assclown out of by a group of pre-adolescents.

A suggestion and “how to” for this plot may have to make its way to the AntiPolygraph.org home page in the near future. This would also be a great one for high school and college criminal justice clubs. 

If anyone is in a position to fire this idea up in the near future, please contact George and I via e-mail. We would be very interested in posting details (photos, video, etc) here on the site.