tasercop wrote on Jul 7^th, 2005 at 11:14pm:

Tasercop,
If I am reading your post correctly, you agree that some people on this site were unjustly denied a job because of a failed polygraph.  Even though you agree that is wrong you don’t see how that would justify an end to polygraph use in pre-employment screening.

However, when you refer to the people who failed the polygraph because they don’t have the honesty, integrity, or fortitude to wear a badge or work with national secrets, you believe their example is proof that the polygraph works.

With all due respect, how can you look at the statistics in such a selective manner?  You look at some anecdotal evidence and dismiss it out of hand as insignificant, certainly not enough to cause one to doubt the validity of the polygraph.  Then you take another set of anecdotal evidence and claim it to be proof the polygraph works.

Why did some percentage of applicants unjustly fail and subsequently not be offered employment?  Shouldn’t there be some scientifically repeatable variable which caused them to fail a test you seem to agree they should not have failed?  Why did the applicants reportedly lacking in honesty, integrity, or fortitude fail their tests?  Were all the variables and controls set up properly in their tests?

Please don’t use the tired old excuse of “there are bad examiners out there.”  That sounds no more convincing than the pointy-haired boss in “Dilbert” claiming that profits were up last quarter because of good management, but down this quarter because of bad employees.

gates21 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2005 at 10:06am:

Congratulations on getting this far in the process!  Good luck on the rest of it and good luck at the academy.

Phil413,

Your experience has similarities to mine.  It causes one to wonder if the examiner relishes in asking questions regarding sexual deviance in an attempt to satisfy his own urges through proxy or simply for his own amusement.  I had the added pleasure of being subjected to a question of "have you ever had sex with a dead person."  Not only was I taken aback I became livid.  Though I tried to not show my anger outwardly, I am sure it was apparent.

I see no reason for sexual questions to begin with defined specificity.  A simple question to lead off the topic should be: "have you ever engaged in unlawful sexual activities or conduct."  If the examinee answers yes, the topic should be explored.  The majority of applicants, I would assume, would be uncomfortable if not unnerved by the types of questions both you and I were asked.

This area of questioning has been a bone of contention of mine since I was "tested" in January.  I was informed prior to testing that I would only be queried regarding responses on my background questionaire.  The only question relating to sexual conduct was a general one like the example given above.

Other aggressive techniques and improper behaviors were exhibited by the examiner.  He was, in my opinion, the biggest jerk on the planet.  My opinion has not changed.

By the way, I didn't "pass."  The examiner influenced physiological response by his method of sensitization to one particular relevant question.  However, I haven't given up and neither should you.  I have a few more tests lined up in the near future.  Good luck.

I just thought of a couple of questions I had regarding the test I recently took.
1.  The agency that I was taking the poly for told me not to be worried about the test because the examiner would ask me questions like "Is your name_____?" and that would show them how I answered while being nervous and telling the truth.  I was then told that I would be asked a question to which I would lie so that there would be a reading of how I responded when I was lying and nervous.  When I went to take the test, I was not told to respond with a lie to any of the questions to test my response when lying.  Was I supposed to be asked to do this?

2.  Now that I've read this website and studied about how inaccurate these "tests" are I am concerned about what to do when I have to re-test (the way the examiner was acting and by my own racing heart there is almost no chance I passed). When I took my poly the other day they asked "Have you read anything about polygraphs? Are you going to try to beat the test? Have you read about how to beat the test?" I had not so I was able to answer "No" truthfully.  What will they do when I say yes to these questions should I have to re-test?

I am really regretting taking this polygraph and I still don't know if I passed or not.  My poly was for an unpaid volunteer laboratory position and after reading this site I don't think I should have agreed to it in the first place.  I figured I would pass with flying colors so I readily agreed and in my naiveté I thought it would be an interesting experience. 

In briefly reading some of the information on this site I can only identifiy one control question and several irrelevant questions during my hour long poly. Is this typical? 

My control question was "have you ever stolen anything from work?" Of course I've accidentally taken home pens or paper clips but nothing that I've purposely stolen (and I was actually thinking that when I was asked the question) so I said "No." In hindsight I'm wondering if I was expected to say "Yes."

I can remember at least 5 irrelevant questions that were asked.

I'm really mad over this whole experience and the way I was tricked.  I thought the pre-test interview and questions were necessary and I had no idea the was I was answering the questions or my body language was being analyzed during this time.

I have already passed on information regarding polygraphs and this site to several people who were like me, completely unaware and uninformed!