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jeff jeffrey Guest	Question Jun 19^th, 2004 at 7:05am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Im planning on taking a poly soon. I have already been in LE for 5 years now. When I first appled, the agency I got hired on did not have a poly(we do now) However since I have been in LE, I have a clean history except for the occasinol MV violation or policy violation(nothing serious) I plan on being honest and straight forward with hopes I will not have any problems. But I am worried about past crimnal history I have had. I have never been convicted of anything but did have a history of thefts from the ages of 13 til 20,,id estimate around 15 thefts all pety. I also was with some friends at age 16(I am 27 now) and went into a house...the two friends grabbed a tv snd I left because I got scared...I later picked up the friends on the road and they put the tv in the car..it was later sold for money. Other than that I have some minor other thnings...I have never been invovled in drugs so Ill be all set there. Based on this has anyone been DQ'd for similiar stuff or do you think they will realize that people change and Ive had a great history since being in LE? Im also curious that if someone justifies an answer to downpplay it will it affect a poly result?? I tried writting everything down since I started being able to rememebr things. Id did this with hopes to clear my mind so it would help me. After doing this I looked at the list and realized what if they judge me on this?? It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. You want to be honest but don't want to screw yourself by someone judging you for what you just told them....damn polygraphs


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dimas Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2001 Gender:	Re: Question Reply #1 - Jun 19^th, 2004 at 11:26pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	It's funny but your post sounds a lot like the other post titled "can I get a job". I am curious are you still in LE, trying to get rehired, or simply trying to move on to another dept? If you have been a LE officer and done your job with integrity and have nothing to hide then your past shouldn't really have a bearing on anything as long as you are truthful, however, I am quite sure you did not mention all these things on your original application 5 years ago and this could come back and bite you in the ass. Quote: It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. You want to be honest but don't want to screw yourself by someone judging you for what you just told them....damn polygraphs Unfortunately, this is an instance in which I am pro-polygraph (I can't believe I just said that ). They truly are an excellent tool to get applicants to confess to things that background checks usually won't find. It is one thing for a person to not get a job because they fail a polygraph and are innocent, it is something completely different to fail because you are hiding things you have done in the past. In this instance it is not "damn polygraphs", but damn "jeff jeffrey" for doing the things you did over and over and over.

	"But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams."&&
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Jeff Jeffrey Guest	Re: Question Reply #2 - Jun 20^th, 2004 at 12:51am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	divas I am still in law enforcement and have done an excellent job...Im a corporal and an FTO for a 40 man department. I want to move on with my career and possibly get into different areas. I have never taken a polygrpah and am nervous due to the fact I have committed these acts. When I originally did my background packet I was never ask about a certain number of these question so they would be in my background and shouldn't "bite me in my ass" I have no problem telling the truth I just don't want to be judge what I did 7 years ago instead of the past 5 years. I have seen guys in my department with 6 Burglarys, 20 or more thefts, criminal threatening with a knife get into better departments after taking a poly...but most of their stuff was done in high school??? Quote: In this instance it is not "damn polygraphs", but damn "jeff jeffrey" for doing the things you did over and over and over. damn me for doing things in my past that I can notchange? I didn't know I want to be a police officer until I was 20 or 21 while in college. The things I did when I was younger was stupid but should affect what I do with my life for the rest of my life. If I could change what I did in my past I would but I can't. The only things I can do and I did was realize that I was wrong and change how I did things.... I too believe in the use of polygraphs but being the one in the hot seat Im just very nervous.


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dimas Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2001 Gender:	Re: Question Reply #3 - Jun 20^th, 2004 at 1:31am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: divas Hmmm..... since the "v" is nowhere near the "m" on a keyboard it looks as if you are unnecessarily making a personal attack. You posted your dilemma, and I posted my opinion on the matter. We are all adults, lets try and act like it. You say you have changed, but it appears that you readily revert to immature activity. Quote: I am still in law enforcement and have done an excellent job...Im a corporal and an FTO for a 40 man department. I want to move on with my career and possibly get into different areas. Like I said, if you have indeed changed and done your job as a LE officer with integrity then I don't think you have anything to hide. If you are in LE most Polygraphs are actually tailored towards activities that may have occured while on duty. Quote: I have never taken a polygrpah and am nervous due to the fact I have committed these acts. When I originally did my background packet I was never ask about a certain number of these question so they would be in my background and shouldn't "bite me in my ass" I have no problem telling the truth I just don't want to be judge what I did 7 years ago instead of the past 5 years. I have seen guys in my department with 6 Burglarys, 20 or more thefts, criminal threatening with a knife get into better departments after taking a poly...but most of their stuff was done in high school??? Read my post for the "can I get a Job" thread. Unfortunately we really don't have a "soul" test to see if indeed someone has changed. Unfortunately, an investigator and especially a Poly examiner are all blessed with a holier than though attitude that they develop over time, I think they actually in a twisted manner deem themselves superior to the rest of the people on the planet that apparently didn't grow up in a plastic bubble free from temptation and juvenile stupidity. Quote: damn me for doing things in my past that I can notchange? I didn't know I want to be a police officer until I was 20 or 21 while in college. The things I did when I was younger was stupid but should affect what I do with my life for the rest of my life. If I could change what I did in my past I would but I can't. The only things I can do and I did was realize that I was wrong and change how I did things.... I too believe in the use of polygraphs but being the one in the hot seat Im just very nervous. I think you interpreted my response as a personal attack, which it wasn't. I was simply attempting to redirect your anger towards the real cause of your problem. Yes, I am 100% sure you are sorry for having done what you did and would gladly take it all back. I am however not judging you and perhaps my post seemed to express that, which was not my intention. Either way, I have nothing but respect for fellow officers. We all put up with the same difficulties and cannot blame you for wanting to move to a larger dept. However, remeber the larger the Dept. the more difficulties you will encounter. Good luck.

	"But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams."&&
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I-SMELL-BS-2 Guest	Re: Question Reply #4 - Jun 20^th, 2004 at 2:39am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	dimas wrote on Jun 20^th, 2004 at 1:31am: Hmmm..... since the "v" is nowhere near the "m" on a keyboard it looks as if you are unnecessarily making a personal attack. You are right dumass, er I mean dimwit, no no I mean dimas, he was making a personal attack, but I don't think he was doing it "unnecessarily".


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dimas Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2001 Gender:	Re: Question Reply #5 - Jun 20^th, 2004 at 3:13am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	WOW, "ISBS2", with wit like that no wonder you are so unhappy with your life. Yeah, you got me, ouch... Anyway, since ALL your posts are negative I take it you are projecting your life on to all of us. Yeah, we all smell something that stinks when you post and it is your life. Sorry, but hopefully someday you may amount to something other than a bitter person. Once again the lack of "professionalism" and "maturity" by some people on this board never ceases to amaze me. I also find it unfortunate that the majority of them end up being pro-polygraph. I , like many others on this board always welcome thought out, mature and challenging posts that are pro-polygraph as some of us fall somewhere in the middle of the whole pro and anti argument. However, name calling and the unnecessary use of expletives only impedes progress and any attempt at civilized discussion. Thanks for your contrubution or lack there of ISBS2. It's not the terrorists that worry me, it is an ignoramus like ISBS2 that worries me. There are way too many of them and they rely on the Polygraph 100% to tell us who the terrorists are.
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	"But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams."&&
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I-SMELL-BS-T00 Guest	Re: Question Reply #6 - Jun 20^th, 2004 at 3:25am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: You are right dumass, er I mean dimwit, no no I mean dimas, he was making a personal attack, but I don't think he was doing it "unnecessarily". lmao, HEY DUMBASS, if you are going to call someone a DUMBASS you should at least know how to spell it correctly. Leave it to a DUMBASS to misspell DUMBASS.


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Jeff Jeffrey Guest	Re: Question Reply #7 - Jun 20^th, 2004 at 4:16am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	dimas...and I meant dimas the first time it was not a personal attack. I appreciate your feedback. I would normally would not post what acts I have committed on a web site but I knew LE people would see it and give me their opinion. I have a great job and I enjoy working where I am....I don't want to burn my bridge at the place I am at. Nor do I want to particapate in a background investiagtion and get canned becasue of my past and then have to explain to the people at my work why I failed out. Thats was why I posted the question. I know Im a good cop and good person but some random person doing my poly may not think so....


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dimas Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 278 Joined: Jul 3^rd, 2001 Gender:	Re: Question Reply #8 - Jun 20^th, 2004 at 7:08am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	No problem Jeff, thanks for clearing up the issue over the misspelling of my name. As for taking a Polygraph you can read my story in the post your Polygraph experience forum, they are on page 19 "titled taking one for the team". They were a few years ago and to be honest I will never test for a department that uses the poly ever again. My results were ofcourse inconclusive, however they seemed to haunt me for the longest time when applying to other departments. It appears that to the uneducated and uninformed inconclusive=FAIL. I did however, come out ahead in the end as being rejected caused me to reorganize my priorities in life and I am much happier now than I have ever been. I am still happily married and have great family and friends that I would of had to move away from had I gotten the job. I also managed to move on to a larger department in the area and I am doing very well for myself there. You live and you learn, but I wouldn't beat myself up over not getting a job. Life is way to short and you could always die crossing the street, on a routine traffice stop, or because the guy in the oncoming lane fell asleep at the wheel and crashed into you, so you have to enjoy it while you can. I really do wish you the best of luck with whatever choice you make. Either way, whatever happens always remember it probably happened for a reason and make the best of it. Had I not been turned down, I know I would have never finished college, let alone with Honors. But in failure or should I say "Inconclusiveness" I found the motivation to succeed. Good luck
	« Last Edit: Jun 20^th, 2004 at 7:27pm by dimas »
	"But I, being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams."&&
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stud New User Offline Posts: 7 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2004	Re: Question Reply #9 - Jun 23^rd, 2004 at 4:23am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: You are right dumass, er I mean dimwit, no no I mean dimas, he was making a personal attack, but I don't think he was doing it "unnecessarily". Oh no, not you again. Go back into the hole that you crawled ouy of. You use a lot of foul language on the internet,(wow, tough guy) I wonder if you could back up that up in person. Most likely not. You're probably a little skinny dork who could'nt fight his way out of a paper bag P.S. If you don't have anything constructive to say, DON'T SAY IT.


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