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MayIHaveAnother Guest	Re: Preparing for a 2nd Poly Reply #15 - Oct 14^th, 2003 at 8:36pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George, I also told the polygrapher that I knew it was just an interrogation and that it was too bad that they had no other tools, besides the poly. What they should really do, is to look more closely in peoples finances, and require pepole to turn in financial statements. Haven't most of the spy cases been financially motivated ?


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Kona Very Senior User Offline Posts: 159 Joined: Sep 23^rd, 2003	Re: Preparing for a 2nd Poly Reply #16 - Oct 15^th, 2003 at 7:11am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Dad, You need to concentrate on the present, not the past. Obviously you told the truth by disclosing that you applied to another law enforcement agency. Obviously you wouldn't try to hide the fact that you failed a previous polygraph with that agency. That would just be stupid. If you told the total truth on that polygraph, then you really DON'T know why you failed, do you? That is all you have to tell the polygrapher, and leave it at that. Don't go off on a tirade on how you were wronged, or how you've since studied the polygraph, and know everything about it. I guarantee that if you do that, you will be setting yourself up for failure. Just answer his questions, keep your opinions to yourself, and use countermeasures. Bottom line, you have to ask yourself a question; do you want the job or not? If you do, then just play the game, and get over this hurdle. May I have another, Sounds like your mouth is your worst enemy. Why on earth would you admit to knowing about countermeasures? Strike one. Why in the hell would you ever tell the polygrapher that you know this is just an interrogation, and that it's too bad they don't have any other tools besides the polygraph? Strike two. He's now got you labeled as a smart ass know it all, is fully expecting you to use countermeasures, and probably won't hesitate to DQ your ass at the slightest irregularity on the charts. Strike three, you're out! Good luck, I am very curious to see how do on any retest. Kona


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TheDad New User Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Oct 12^th, 2003	Re: Preparing for a 2nd Poly Reply #17 - Oct 15^th, 2003 at 7:37am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Kona, that makes sense. thanks. D


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Marty Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 499 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2002	Re: Preparing for a 2nd Poly Reply #18 - Oct 15^th, 2003 at 7:54am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Kona wrote on Oct 15^th, 2003 at 7:11am: Dad, You need to concentrate on the present, not the past. Obviously you told the truth by disclosing that you applied to another law enforcement agency. Obviously you wouldn't try to hide the fact that you failed a previous polygraph with that agency. That would just be stupid. If you told the total truth on that polygraph, then you really DON'T know why you failed, do you? That is all you have to tell the polygrapher, and leave it at that. Don't go off on a tirade on how you were wronged, or how you've since studied the polygraph, and know everything about it. I guarantee that if you do that, you will be setting yourself up for failure. Just answer his questions, keep your opinions to yourself, and use countermeasures. Bottom line, you have to ask yourself a question; do you want the job or not? If you do, then just play the game, and get over this hurdle. Kona There is the basic problem of what is honest. Is it honest to lie in order to pass a polygraph? Sure it can be rationalized with the argument that it's only in response the polygrapher's lies. That's not a bad argument. Still, it eats at me as well as many others that have posted. I am just glad I don't have to face such choices. In any case, if a person decides to use countermeasures, that person should absolutely feel comfortable understanding what the polygrapher is trying to do, especially in the interview phase where the controls will be selected and reviewed. If one doesn't handle this properly one is more likely to be suspected of using CM's and in that case it wouldn't be a false positive. -Marty

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Kona Very Senior User Offline Posts: 159 Joined: Sep 23^rd, 2003	Re: Preparing for a 2nd Poly Reply #19 - Oct 15^th, 2003 at 11:01am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Marty, Your point is well taken. Dad is probably asking himself, "is using countermeasures dishonest?" The way I look at it, the answer is a resounding NO. You can call it rationalization if you want, I don't have a problem with that at all. The bottom line is that the whole polygraph process for law enforcement pre-employment interviews is flawed. It is no more accurate in determining if someone is telling the truth than flipping a coin. Since I had told the truth all along to my Background Investigator, I approached the polygraph as just another hurdle that had to be passed in order to become a cop, not some huge moral dilema. I ended up taking a total of three polygraphs with two different agencies in my quest for a job as a cop. I told the truth with no countermeasures on the first one and passed. I took my second polygraph with a different police dept, told the truth with no countermeasures, and had some problems with some drug and sex questions. Thankfully, I was granted a retest a week later, and passed telling the same truth and using countermeasures. Marty is absolutely correct that you need to have a solid understanding of the whole process, not just the ability to employ countermeasures. Anyone that is considering utilizing countermeasures must read TLBTLD carefully, and practice. If you can afford Doug Williams' book, read that too because he really explains the whole process, and you will know all the polygrapher's tricks. Kona


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