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Anonymous Guest	SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Sep 28^th, 2003 at 8:44am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I am in DEP. My job only requires a SECRET clearance. But in the event I get stationed at a base that requires TOP SECRET, I know they will do the investigation. The form SF-86 asks if I had ever seen a psychologist, counselor, etc. I answered NO fearing it would disqualify me from enlistment. If they do run a check on me for TS clearance, will they find out? If so what would the consequence be? How could they find out? Thanks Reply email please


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anonymous Guest	Re: SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2003 at 8:30pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If your counseling was for marital, grief, or related issues, then it is looked upon favorably that you seeked out help. Your first mistake was not telling DSS about it; if they find out you lied, they will get you on personal conduct. Everyone has personal issues, but you have to be truthful with them...


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pk Guest	Re: SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2003 at 8:41pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I'd do an adendum to your clearance before it goes any further and tell them you had forgot about the counseling when you filled it out the first time or you'll find yourself in a world of hurt and at the very least, loose a stripe and some time on the beach WHEN they find out, not IF, but WHEN. BTW, they will do the investigation clearing you for a Top Secret but will only grant you the Secret clearance until you have the need for the higher clearance. This goes back to the Walker case. List every counselor, even your high school guidance counselor to be safe. No reason to start your career off bad.


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lastone New User Offline Posts: 3 Location: Harpers Ferry, WV Joined: Jul 12^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2004 at 7:24am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	It is possible for one to obtain an accurate prediction of how one would do (regarding potential success/failure) if processed for a high-level securityi clearance. There has been a psychological type test developed that supposedly predicts, with better than about a 95% accuracy level, if he/she will eventually, following all of the processing and adjudication, be granted a security clearance. The test is called the "PSSPQ" and it was developed by a psychologist who worked almost a quarter century for one of our County's largest intelligence agencies. You can find out more about this test by asking most of the major internet search engines to look up "PSSPQ"


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triple x Very Senior User Offline Fear what you cannot see... Posts: 209 Location: USA Joined: Oct 16^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Reply #4 - Apr 5^th, 2004 at 1:22am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Question for all guest's and registered members, Could someone please define the difference between a DoD security clearance versus a DoJ [Department of Justice] security clearance background investigation? Why is one security clearance not accepted or recognized by the other? More specifically: 1) For a DoD security clearance, DSS and/or OPM does the SF-86 background investigation and grants/denies the level of clearance requested. 2) For a DoJ security clearance, the FBI does the SF-86 background investigation, and grants/denies the level of clearance requested. If a candidate for employment with a Federal agency currently possesses a DoD security clearance, why would the DoJ require or “not recognize” the current security clearance issued by DSS and/or OPM? Why does the DoJ not recognize/accept a DSS or OPM granted security clearance background investigation? Also, I’ve been told the DoJ will require a “lifestyle” polygraph exam if transitioning from a current DoD security clearance to a DoJ security clearance, in addition to a complete DoJ background investigation. Can anyone confirm this information to be accurate.? V/R Triple x


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False + Senior User Offline Posts: 64 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Reply #5 - Apr 5^th, 2004 at 3:28am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Triple x, I will not lay claim to being an expert on this, but based on much reading on agency clearances, I can throw in my 2 cents. It is my understanding that the fundamental reason a clearance from one agency is not necessarily recognized by another is that there is an inherent mistrust between federal agencies. I believe that clearances are not readily transferable across agencies for this reason. For example, I'm sure you've heard about how the CIA has kept certain details of counter-terrorism investigations from its FBI homologues -- to the detriment of national security. I don't doubt FBI has done the same. The NSA is similarly not blameless. This practice, much like polygraph, has a tremendous inertia behind it. I don't know if there has been a push to streamline clearances across agencies...


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triple x Very Senior User Offline Fear what you cannot see... Posts: 209 Location: USA Joined: Oct 16^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Reply #6 - Apr 5^th, 2004 at 5:11am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	False +, I appreciate and respect your response, thanks. I simply can’t understand why some federal agencies will not recognize/accept a security clearance issued and granted by DSS, DIS, DISCO, DOHA, or OPM [Office of Personnel Management] for the Department of Defense. DoD security clearances are acceptable for high-level Government TS/SAP/SAR programs [Top Secret Special Access Requirement] to include Military and Government un-acknowledgeable programs deemed above top secret. Does anyone know what the FBI does differently during a security clearance background investigation for a potential FBI candidate for employment, that is not done by DSS and/or OPM during a security clearance background investigation for the DoD.? What is it that sets the Department of Justice apart from the Department of Defense with respect to security clearance background investigations? Does anyone know for certain? Triple x


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False + Senior User Offline Posts: 64 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: SF-86 and Security Clearance Investigation Reply #7 - Apr 5^th, 2004 at 10:30am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Triple x, One thing came to mind as I was reading your latest reply. If clearances were in fact more easily transferable than presently, you could bet many people in government, to include a bevy of security investigators working in each agency, would loose their jobs. These investagators have, to an extent or another, sufficient clout to shape security policy at their respective agency -- read support the continuance of their current positions. It is not in the nature of government to be efficient and economical, precisely because many would loose their precious positions. Then again, I'm not the expert here. Regards, False +


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