hmm...were to begin...
as most of the regulars know i have been "studying" for my poly for some time now. well i had it a few days a ago. at first i was a bit nervous, there was a little voice in my head saying "mabye all this CM stuff is bull...mabye im toast...", but i figured what the hell, worst that can happen is ill be yelled at and ill lose my chances of getting the job. now i dont want to get into too much detail so ill sum it all up.
1) no sennsors on the chair (relief no.1)
2) basic and short pre test interview, plus explenation on how the poly works (much the same as described in TLBTL)
3) stim test. i used CM's on the issue he told me to lie about (pucker+breath change). he then told me what i lied about and that he saw it easily....ha ha....by now i was fealing VERY confident.
4) the test was mixed R/I and CQT (2 stages). in the R/I part i basicaly gave a strong response on a different issue each chart, but not too strong. always making sure that the concealed control he asked had a stronger response.
on the CQT (picking out the controls was easy) i just stayed calm during the relevants and peaked the controls. i dont think i missed a single one (i was far more focused than i though i would be). i also made sure to make one type of control slightly differrent from another type.
he went out a couple of times to check his "charts".
both times he came back and asked if any question bothered me more than another, i sayed about one of the controls that i thought about a time i lied to someone important and another time about some other control...he agreed that those were the ones (ha ha....).
at the end of about 2 hours he unhooked me and told me i had passed the test succesfully. no post test interview. a smile and good bye.
so id say odds are high that i actually passed. not even the slightest little query on his part through out that whole test (other than controls) and not a single addmission on my part other than "minor" control stuff.
and you know what? i lied. ill say that again. i lied, used CM's and would seem to have passed.
some of you know what i lied about some dont. those that do know that its one of those things we all wish we had not done. nothing that might affect us working in a sensitive place. i deserve this job. and would not let past mistakes keep me out.
moral of the story:
Saidme and his pall's on the net are (no disrispect) simply liars. plain and simple liars. unless they have some magic polygraph that was not used on me, they are full of....
if used corectly anal pucker and breath changes are NOT in any way detectable. (ih have no expirience with sensors so i cant vouch for them not working, but, i belive that the most pronounced changes i caused were breath ones and to my knowledge there are no sensors for that).
more over, it was not even too hard. once i had the stim test i was as relaxed as can be (but still on guard). i just put on a good show.
the rest was simple. i can now say without a dought in my mind that any one that spends a few weeks reading the free stuff on the net. does a day or two of practicing, and tries his best to be cool on the day of the test can pass test (lieing).
thanx to all of you that helped.
i hope i pass the whole checkup.

Wombat,

You write:

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Congratulations on your apparent overall result.  You've gotta love this preliminary stage of the game though.  There's nothing like conning a con man.  Yes sir...at this stage of the game, give him/her the awe and amazement any vodoo master needs and craves...   

Saidme,

Nice try, pal with your little nomenclature diversion.  But it is Wombat who beat your community, not the other way around.  And if you think it can't or won't happen to you, get ready for a fall or plan on retiring soon...

More like kudos to George for attempting to assist pedophiles, rapists, murderers and thieves with succeeding in their criminal behavior.   

No Wombat this isn't directed at you since your exam appears to have been a pre-employment screening examination.

Regarding specific issues testing, there's nothing better (wasn't that in the NAS study?)

Wombat

I won't dispute this site may assist pre-employment applicants from fouling up (and in some cases passing) polygraph examinations.  I do maintain that specific issue testing is very difficult (if not impossible) to beat using CM's picked up on this site.  It all has to do with psyche set and consequences.  The only consequences of failing a pre-employment polygraph is you don't get the job.  Specific issue failure may lead to jail.

Getem Ray

PK,
I am not Ray Latimer.  Just a guy who gets upset when he sees a person with integrity like Wombat lie and cheat his way into the LE field.

Ray,

If you were really concerned, you would ditch your useless polygraph gig (assuming you are a polygraph examiner), get off your backside, and head out to the field to help (do investigations...remember those?) those who are doing backgrounds to do a more thorough job...

Anonymous,
Actually, I still do investigations and I'd put good money on it that I've resolved more cases in the last year then you have in your life.  Contrary to what most anti-polygraph crusaders say, most examiners in the agencies and departments I am familiar with are selected to their position because of their outstanding track record in resolving cases.

Also, Wombat has already stated that a background investigation would not reveal the information he is concealing so there goes that bright idea.  In my experience, admissions gained after an SR test would not usually have been discovered in even the most intense investigation.  Go ahead and jump on the "background investigation bandwagon" with everyone else.   

The problem a lot of anti-polygraph people have is that they make personal attacks on examiners.  It will get you no where and it makes your arguments seem hollow.  The point I have made in this thread is that Wombat has made a decision to conceal derogatory information by lying to the agency he is applying for.  Regardless of what one thinks of polygraph, you would have to agree that Wombat's actions are those of a person who lacks integrity.  I made the point that he has established that he will do what it takes (cheat,lie) to get what he wants.  That concerns me.  Does anyone disagree?