Drew,
Something that has always puzzled me about this issue is this. The APA Bylaws require that polygraphs be audio and/or videotaped under this rule:
3.9.8 An audio or an audio/video recording of the pretest and in-test phases shall be made and maintained for evidentiary examinations, in conformance with governing state and federal laws.
Granted, these rules are not binding on any government agency. But it would seem that failure to record the sessions would be grounds for suspension or expulsion from the APA. And here in Florida, due to the lack of a state licensing procedure, membership in the APA is virtually a must to be able to perform polygraphs. So aren't most of these guys risking their jobs by not recording?
Just wondered what your take was on this.

Dear Drew,

My second polygraph experience would have made the most ardent polygraph proponent wince.  Considering it was done by a "FBI Pro", there was no excuse for such poor performance.  A videotape would have made the top ten of America's most pitiful videos to watch.  I assure you that it would have even been painful for Congress to sit through.

Regards.

orolan,

When you do, please give my regards to Mr. Dutton.  He may be the only government polygrapher in existence to have ever measured systolic time intervals and impedance cardiographic measures while collecting data from a blind stim test (card test)....

Batman wrote on May 17^th, 2003 at 10:58pm:


Is that your personal interpretation of the bylaw, Batman, or the position of the APA?

Drew, Orolan, Fair Chance, Batman, Beech Trees, Marty:

Simple question: 

If polygraph testing is as reliable and fool-proof as many polygraphers on this board would like to have us believe, then why not video/audio record all polygraph exams regardless if pre-employment or other in nature; and provide a copy of the test results to include the polygraph examiners notes and chart interpretation to the test subject or job candidate for further review?

If all polygraph examiners possess the trained ability to equally read and interpret a set of polygraph charts, then why not make the results {audio and video} available?

It is strictly my opinion, I would not be such a skeptic of polygraph testing if the polygraph exam results were not held in such a shroud of secrecy, and the test subject denied access to the test results that commonly and unfairly deny innocent and honest job candidates employment.

My question is, why not make all pre-employment polygraph test results {audio and video} available? Is this an unreasonable and unrealistic request? 

If the agencies conducting the polygraph exam have nothing to fear or hide, then why not make the polygraph results available to the test subject? 

Its not as if Im asking for a copy of the secret US Government investigative Project Blue Book on UFOs. 


triple x

Gents,

I find this crusade to have all polygraph examinations audio/video recorded very interesting indeed.

Why not a requirement to have all surgeries recorded in the same way?  Think about it?  Hell, you're not even conscious during these procedures!  A surgeon could be playing vollyball with your liver for all you know, or making crude jokes about your flabby middles as he has to cut his way through the fatty tissue.  And what about those times when, oops, took off the wrong leg.  Wouldn't it be nice to have the conversations during those particular SNAFU's on record? 

How about recording simple medical check-ups.  How many innocent women have been, and continue to be, victimized by doctors during simple annual procedures?  Why no hue and cry to have these recorded?

Hell, why not record car salesmen?  Just think about the number of people that are ripped off every year by this bunch?

Lets address the proposal by 3-X, that all polygraphs be recorded and a copy be given to the examinee.  Try going to your doctor tomorrow and tell him you want your medical records.  They are yours, they're a recording of your health issues.  GOOD LUCK!!!  So why the big push about polygraph exams.  There a hell of a lot worse things out there, but maybe just not ones that are perceived to be "easy" targets.

Marty,

No lawyer double talk, just a simple interpretation of the obvious.  The by-law is quite simple, it states what it states.  You can read more into it if you wish, but the bottom line is, if there is a state or federal requirement to record a polygraph examination, then it must be done.  If, under these circumstances, it is not recorded, then a member of the APA would be in violation. 

Next time Beech trees has sex with his wife (assuming he is married) there should be a requirement that it be recorded.  After all, fraud is a crime too.

Batman

I completely agree that all polygraphs should be both audio /video recorded.

During the course of a poly I had with a local PD the Cardio cuff pressure tube broke.  My examiner called for another examiner to come help him replace the tube.  The second examiner then made a joke , saying that to the first polygrapher, "I always knew you needed a longer rubber."

One polygraph 'professional' joking about the length of another polygrapher's thingy during an interview.  I dont think that anyone who really cares about their department could excuse this kind of behavior.   

I filed a complaint.  The head of the polygraph division said that both men had been counseled.  I have asked for a copy of the tape.  Obviously something was recorded because the men were both counseled, but I want to hear it again myself.

If there was no audio tape,  my complaint would have just been just swept away.

I know that polygraphers often stop  the audio recording during the "heart to heart' sessions.  They turn it on when the review the questions, and off when they try to turn up the heat on the person being interviewed.  A complete recording audio/video would stop that kind of tampering.

If what they do and how they conduct themselves is so professional, then why protest recording it completely?
   
Cameras on patrol have protected good officers and captured bad officers- same idea here.