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Once again we are treated to a stern and indignant reply regarding the inherent dishonesty built into polygraph formats.... this has been a consistant theme with the loyal few anti-polygraph folks that linger here.
The inherent dishonesty of polygraph interrogators certainly seems to have been raised often recently. Hooray. Apparently *you* weren't indignant when your polygraph interrogator lied to you in prepping you for your exam-- pardon those of us who are.
Quote:Lets think about this for a moment: somehow it is justified in the name of self preservation (the abuses one will receive if polygraphed) to give advice to an applicant, that is designed to confuse or obstruct the applicant process.
How is it confusing or obstructing the applicant process to know beforehand that the polygraph as a scientific means of determining truth from falsehood in the screening setting is worthless? Also, why is it acceptable for 'The State' (in this case the polygraph interrogator) to lie to the citizen (in this case the applicant)? Why is it acceptable one way, but not the other?
Quote:It goes without saying that this good advice could be misused by a criminal.
So? This scenario been mentioned numerous times beforehand in previous discussions on this board. Are the makers of lockpicking manuals and tools to blame for burglaries? Are Chrysler and Ford to blame when a master key is used in a vehicle theft? Is the US Army responsible when one of their manuals is used to construct an explosive device? More dear to your heart The Breeze, are the makers of firearms responsible when someone (other than a defenseless deer) is murdered by gun?
Quote:This does not matter however, because the individual is all important in our current time and we should eliminate the polygraph because it hurt me. (Or at least the agency made it seem that way, since they did not want you anyway...)
Wasn't it you who just recently argued that employment should not be witheld based soley upon polygraph results? Didn't you JUST READ ont his board numerous accounts of exactly that happening? You weren't denied your dream job, breeze-- many others here were. So why don't you show some courtesy and respect when those people show a variety of emotions concerning having their dream destroyed by a worthless screening device? By the way, did you ever stop to think that the reason you passed your polygraphs is because you lied during your control questions? How about that, the breeze lied on his polygraph exam!
Quote:We will not listen to or accept the fact that many thousands of applicants every year, find thier polygraph experience routine and uneventfull.
Yes, about half of them according to recent news reports-- what you would expect according to the NAS report.
Quote:Like the news programs that focus only on the violent and sensational, this site presents a view that is wholly incorrect and self serving.
'Wholey incorrect and self-serving'. Nice. Wrong, but nice. If you would like balance in your polygraph stories, feel free to visit polygraphplace.com.
Quote:I might think the US was on the verge of anarchy if all I paid attention to was Dan Rather, likewise I may think that polygraph was a huge plague on American society if I only visited here.
If you visit pro-second amendment websites, all you will read about are infringements on our inalienable right to keep and bear arms, personal accounts of such infringements, news accounts of such infringements, and political work aimed at curtailing such infringments. What do you expect to see at a website titled 'antipolygraph.org'? What would you like to see different here, breeze? You're our token
osers' contributor. What more do you want?
Quote:It always makes me chuckle to have my own sucessful experiences with the polygraph minimized or ridiculed by someone not cut out for LE duty...
Um, hold the phone here. I thought you were one of those sly pro-polygraph types-- you know, the ones who say it's ok to ruin a person's career as long as the polygraph is not the sole determinant of fact? Since most of the people posting here with negative stories about their polygraph experience were stopped dead in their tracks by the lying polygraph interrogator, with no recourse and no means of appealing his capricious decision, how can we know those people were or were not 'cut out' for law enforcement? So, your nasty little jibe above there seems to be in conflict with what you espoused previously. You weren't engaging in belittling insults just to make yourself feel more important, were you?
Quote:My experience in both areas suggest otherwise.
I see. So YOUR personal experiences are deemed valid, while OUR personal experiences are not. Let's see, how many polygraphs have you taken over the course of your career? I can't recall if it was 3 or 4, but let's say 4. Now, how many polygraphs are administered in the US yearly? I have no way of knowing that number, but let's say 200,000. You also mentioned your polygraphs spanned the course of your career (as I recall it's coming to a close in the near future) so let's say 15 years. Remember, we can rework these numbers if you'd care to correct me. 15 times 200,000 equals 3,000,000 polygraphs administered. Let's see, your personal polygraph experiences equals an earth-shattering
0.0000013%
Wow, you're REALLY an expert on the subject.
Have a nice day officer,