Try what george says in his book and see what happens.
After you get caught using these countermeasures come back to this site and tell us what happened. and then you can thank grorge.

Thanks MARTY I'll do just that, your a genius!

AWWWWWWWWWWW   Did I get you angry? 
You must be another malcontent that "Never Inhaled" and wasn't good enough to get a real job. Don't blame your shortcomings on anyone but yourself.
The truth hurts. Dosn't it?

johnanon wrote on Nov 30^th, 2002 at 12:33am:


Dear johnanon,

You are dancing around the devil on this one.  You are within drug guidelines or you are not. The statement that you believe your drug history will bar you is a good indicator that you should rethink your decision.  If money is your main motivator to get into law enforcement, you will have a very frustrating and possibly corrupt career.  Law enforcement exposes you to the most negative aspects of life and the "Dark Side" can lure you into a direction which is impossible to recover from (especially if money is your motivator).

Sit down and think long and hard about this one.

Regards.

Valid question...I cannot find any place to practice. You will run into some strange people on this website. I personally smoked dope with several NYC cops/firemen - whose remains are still scattered at the WTC. Cops - admittedly before they were hired by NYPD -- firemen, still "on the job." 

I would take my NYPD job and run -- why mess it up with a poly? You will find some strange people on this site -- they have a parochial school mentality where there is black, white, and no shades of grey. They are easy to anger because they probably have the most to hide. 

I took a poly once 12 years ago -- and failed miserably although I told the truth! The process is flawed -- whether you are lying or not. So why risk countermeasures, etc, if you can take the NYPD job and have a good life.

One other thing to consider that is quite laughable. I come from a firefighting background (then went to college and shifted career gears). While you will see many "holier than thou posts" (i.e.: read Parochial School Mentality) proclaiming the evils of smoking weed -- LE is literally plauged with drinkers. Heavy,heavy drinkers. People who often say, " I won't touch drugs but man I really love to get drunk." Stop by any police watering-hole and you will consistently see inebriated cops getting behind the wheel. Ever read about them getting busted at DUI check-points? I have personally pulled drunk cops from wrecked cars and watched them being let off with a wink and nudge.

My advice -- lie, pass the test, move on with your live (while keeping your trap securely shut), and for heavens sake -- don't ever do drugs (or even drink that heavily) ever again. Who the heck hasn't started a career off with some degree of a lie. Be realistic -- but then again, be smart, and hold up the integrity of the profession you are choosing once you are in the fold.

Thank you. In fact, when some of the knuckleheads get on their high and mighty horses and start lecturing about LE integrity, I think they need to wake-up. I kid you not -- I continually heard (when I was with the FD) LEO say with a totally straight face, "I never did drugs but man I always got sh*t faced!"

And forget about the double standards of driving while on duty. I am talking about the fact that policemen and firemen are some of the heaviest drinkers -- and they are not afraid to get behind the wheel. I personally know quite a few FDNY guys who routinely got drunk at work (beer cans in the soda machine routine). I've been on fire trucks that we had to stop on a run because the driver was too drunk to continue. I got so burned up everytime I saw one of them get into an accident and then walk away because of the "Blue Wall/Red Wall" of covering each other's back. 

The polygraph is stupid, useless, and humiliating. But then again - maybe I shouldn't complain. Rather than take a job with the CIA 12 years ago, I am doing quite nicely in private industry. BUT I AM TIRED OF HEARING THE SAME STUPID PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT LEO AND INTEGRITY! They are human beings -- but less accountable because they are always covering for each other.