patriot wrote on Oct 31
st, 2002 at 11:24pm:
Skeptic - In response to your bafflement over why anyone would want to sign on repeatedly and disguise themselves as individual posters giving such positive account of their success of countermeasures, just one phrase you should know; MISERY LOVES COMPANY!!
I fail to see the logic of your assertion. If someone successfully passed their polygraph while employing countermeasures, wouldn't they be joyous and not miserable?
Quote:In other words, people who have failed to get what they want in life the honest way, want to convince others that the system is flawed (see! it's screwing up tons of people's lives, it's out of control!!), hence increasing the numbers of people being "victimized", thereby lending credibility to their particular "beef" with the system.
I'm curious which posts specifically you feel are counterfeit or embellished or mere repetitions by the same poster. Could you
point them out and tell us who you think is the culprit, and why?
Quote:If others are successful @ getting things they want legitimately (taking a poly & passing it because they're telling the truth), then it would start to look like the poly works, & the problem might lie with the individual that failed the poly.
Unfortunately the hard facts don't bear out your fantasy theory. The National Academy of Sciences report indicates that an honest person has an equally random chance of passing a polygraph as a dishonest person.
Quote:We can't have that, so let's create a lot of fictitious accounts of success with countermeasures (when in actuality people employing countermeasures are being caught everyday. I know because I'm catching them/full confessions, & loving it!!)
Are you really? Everyday you catch one or more of your polygraph subjects attempting countermeasures? Who are these people? Would you mind providing specifics as to the kinds of countermeasures employed, how you detected them, and how you then obtained 'full confessions'?
Quote:...then more people will attempt countermeasures, get caught, become disgruntled with the system they never even gave a fair chance, help bolster the lawsuit, help the initial losers feel good about their own failures, etc.
Ohhhhh I get it now. We're here spreading the
disinformation that polygraphy is nothing but a sham of a pseudo-science masquerading as legitimate, and that anyone with fairly short notice can master simple, easy to use physical and behavioral countermeasures that are undetectable by The State. That way, when people are foolish enough to believe those assertions, they employ the countermeasures, are effortlessly caught by people like 'patriot' here, and then those same foolish people are somehow secretly indoctrinated by us to come BACK to this website and lie that their State-sponsored interrogator didn't know whether to shit or go blind, so dazzling was their use of these countermeasures... thus enticing still MORE people to believe what I guess we should now (according to the Patriot Braintrust) call 'The Lie Behind The Lie Behind The Lie Detector'.......... Ummmmm yeah. That's it.
Sherlock Holmes you ain't sport.
Quote:Also, he does not tell you that he currently works for the Iranian government. A little scary don't you think?! Makes you wonder what his real motives are.
Must be that ring of Netherland-based American citizen opium-smoking Iranian operatives I've heard tell about. All very 'hush-hush' don't you know.
Quote:Imagine if Maschke was successful in his drive to "outlaw" poly, how many crucial intelligence cases regarding national security would be lost, if poly couldn't be used.
Yes, imagine that horrendous number. How many would be lost? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Oh my God, MILLIONS? Hey Zippy, in the course of human events,
not one spy has ever been caught with the polygraph. So, you tell me, is zero equal to, greater than, or lesser than zero?
Go back to the drawing board Chuckles, you didn't crack the case wide open with this post.