On 17 November 2001, The New York Times published an article by David Rohde titled, "In 2 Abandoned Kabul Houses, Some Hints of Al Qaeda Presence." Rohde notes, among other things, that "Documents in English described 'explosives and demolition techniques' and how to blow up power lines. Others, in Arabic, showed how to put a bomb in a suitcase and pass lie detector tests."

The Arabic information on passing lie detector "tests" may be similar to that included in an Al-Qaeda document titled Mawsu'at al-jihad (Encyclopedia of Jihad). A translation of the relevant portion is now available on AntiPolygraph.org here.

I am floored. You Mr. Maschke, have finally shown your true colors for what they really are; and not RWB.  If you are responsible for the "hasty" translation of the terrorists information, then you are a party to treason.  We are at war and you have the gall to provide comfort and support to the enemy who may very well be in our country in various sleeper cells and seeking the very type of information that you give them in a "hasty" translation.  What could your motivation possibly be for that? Even if anything that you or any of your followers say in your postings has ANY value, I ask you how this translation could help anyone in our country. As our military poise to strike at the heart of those who would destroy our country, when this is over, I  hope to God that you are brought to be held accountable for this that can only be viewed as treason. I spit on you!

I agree with “An American”.  George you just cannot see the forest through the trees!  You feel that our imperfect process in this imperfect world wronged you.  You had a dream to work with the FBI and found out that it was just that a dream.  Now you feel that inorder to vindicate yourself and others like you, those who feel it is an inherent right to obtain everything that one wishes for, you are justified in letting the enemy know that what his manual outlines is correct.

Grow up and realize that we all can’t have everything we want.  We do not live in a utopian world were all is right and just.  Many times the needs of the many must out way the needs of the few.

Yes other publications are out there that support bomb making and such, but why, as an American citizen (which by the way entitles you to run this self-serving site) do you feel the need to aid the enemy?

No doubt you will respond with a self-serving diatribe of scientific and liberalism spunk that those cut from the same cloth that you are will agree with.  I served 21 plus years in this nation’s military to insure that the far left, the middle of the road, and the far right all have the right to be whom they wish.  I sickens me to see you take those rights, which men and women have died for, and disregard them as you over look the responsibility to our country that those rights require.

And  “Beech Trees” ranks right up there with you on this as well.  

     
   “If memory serves, wasn't there a recent spate of 'shame   shame shame' type posts here by anonymous visitors, seeking to blame antipolygraph.org as the source of these Arabic language documents?
I wonder if these faceless visitors publicly condemned the sources for the ENGLISH TEXT manuals on 'explosives and demolition techniques and how to blow up power lines'. 
I'm sure they jotted off their letters of protest against French MILAN antitank misssile manufacturers as well. How about the editors at Flying magazine?”


Faceless Visitors?  Come now, Beech you are as Faceless on this site as I am.  At least GM stepped out of the shadows and provided his true name.  I have not, for I really have no desire to have the obliviously Anti American, Sunshine Patriot, So Called Civil Liberty Crusades from this sight know who I am.   Hey BT, why not go to Washington DC and stand by the Vietnam War Memorial and spout your “shame shame shame” mantra to the Vets, families, and friends of those who paid the supreme sacrifice for you, George, Mark, and all the other whiners on this site?  

Just be glad that there are people like my self who still are willing to fight and die for folks like you.  George, it is obliviously the time you spent in the Army was for all the wrong reasons.  You may want to look at seeing if Jane Fonda is interested in becoming part of your family.

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So even uneducated third world mujahideen are correct when they tell their compatriots that the polygraph is useless, and not to fear it? Thank you for publicly admitting the polygraph is useless and that the original Arabic document that was loosely translated into English is correct on that count.

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It sounded better when Spock said it.

Even so, if you can somehow manage to string a sentence together that proves how that assertion applies to the pseudo-scientific travesty of polygraphy, I'd be happy to read it.

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How is translating an Arabic language document that was ALREADY IN THE HANDS OF THE 'ENEMY' into a foreign language aiding that 'enemy'?

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Gentle Readers, note how the pro-polygraph side's argument is nothing more than an amorphous blob of plasma which is shaped according to the whimsy of the author. When it suits them, we who object to the use of polygraphy are painted as rank amateurs, hacks who know nothing of science and law enforcement, are uneducated about polygraphy, etc. Now in a stunning turnaround suddenly we are pencil-necked geeks, liberal academicians living in our ivory towers with our heads so full of science and theory we can't think cleary. Utter tripe. Hypocritical nonsense.

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I can't fathom this jingoistic bs, but I will say thank you for your service to our country. If I have as you say the right to be who I wish, then what's the problem here?

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Ditto that, except substitute "black clad, kevlar armored, helmet wearing thugs" for "Anti American, Sunshine Patriot, So Called Civil Liberty Crusades"

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Hey dillweed, it wasn't me who uttered the 'shame shame shame' mantra. If you stopped blowing steam off you'd see just how utterly wrong you are on this subject.

Chill out!

After reading many of the posts about this subject I believe that the polygraph is the best technolgy for forced interrogation NOT truth  finding.  The next best method of interrogation (not necessarily TRUTH) Instead  would be the rubber hose and the electrical generator to the genitals trick instead. Polygraphs are only an extension of deceiving the one receiving the probing nothing else.  Any one of us can be found guilty of anything under these conditions.  Remember our great country has the greatest number of individuals in prison in the WORLD.  With such a liberal tool open to interpretation WE are all at risk of becoming GUILTY to such meaningless efforts.

Hell even plain copiers and physical abuse have been used to convince and convict ignorant persons of the abilities of the device to determine truth.   

Maybe this is could the fallback base technology as it were like it is in the 3rd world where we teach it to foreign police and military. 

Sadly, there is no REAL science in polygraphs unless thinking makes it so!  hahahahh   

Its all academic untill it happens to YOU!  Then its personal.

Anonymous, you stated as follows:

“I am sorry to see a retired vet (I'll assume you are) demonstrate such foolishness in such a pompous manner.”

Assume as you wish, and rest assured that I am a retired Vet.  Foolish and Pompous am I?  I think not.  Wise in the reality of the REAL world I am.  The point of my post you missed in its entirety

I care not that Al-Qaeda can, or for that matter, would read George’s post or the translation it references.  What I care about is the fact that those who live in this nation and are afforded the same rights and liberties that the victims of 9/11 lost, feel that is permissible to further their cause at the cost of others.

Yes the NAS did find that the polygraph lacked validity; but it failed to address the utility of the polygraph.  Yes I am a polygraph examiner currently working for a federal agency.  No I am not hiding behind another nametag.  Should we depend on it whole-heartedly?  No, but it is a valuable tool to be used.  Should we stop using it altogether because some have been denied a security clearance or position because of it?  No.  Life is not fair and we all can not have everything we desire. 

You Anonymous are both Foolish and Pompous.  You say I should be ashamed to say I am a patriot because I question the patriotism of others.  You don’t expect me to have the reasoning power of the NAS?  I may not have a PHD (Piled Higher and Deeper, in some cases) but I posses the wisdom gained through time and experience as well as education, something that many of those who are in the world of academia seem to lack.  

Your innuendos towards me hiding behind Patriotism are both incorrect and repugnant.  I offer up the same suggestion to you as I did to Beech Trees: Why not go to Washington DC and stand by the Vietnam War Memorial and spout your “shame shame shame” mantra to the Vets, families, and friends of those who paid the supreme sacrifice for you, George, Mark, and all the other whiners on this site?    

I get the sense that my post hit close to home with you Anonymous.  To quote Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act III, scene 2, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”.

It has been asked what constructive purpose posting an English-language translation of Arabic-language Al-Qaeda documentation on lie detection could possibly serve. Considering that the polygraph has been used extensively by law enforcement and intelligence officials in the interrogation of suspected Al-Qaeda operatives, I think that it may be useful to document what Al-Qaeda may have taught its members regarding lie detection.

In the translated portion of the Encyclopedia of Jihad, we see that they have been taught that lie detection is a sham: "Lie detectors are nothing more than a myth to trick the accused. To the extent that the accused does not believe in its effectiveness, it will not be effective against him." Those in the law enforcement and intelligence communities who might contemplate the use of polygraphy to judge the veracity of suspected Al-Qaeda operatives may wish to take this into consideration.

With regard to concealed information tests, as opposed to lie detection, it's worth noting that the Al-Qaeda documentation does not cast doubt on the Searching Peak of Tension (SPOT) technique, describing with apparent admiration how Avicenna used it a millenium ago. Any polygrapher administering such a test to a known or suspected Al-Qaeda operative might wish to make reference to the anecdote in the pre-test phase.

As for the suggestion that publishing this information is somehow treasonous, I suggest that concerned individuals consult the U.S. Department of Justice (which has published a much more extensive translation of an Al-Qaeda Training Manual).

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Dear betrayed,

Your observation could be quite correct but it is a shame to have national security considerations based on hysteria and not sound facts.

Regards.