hoorah!

You have already failed their polygraph twice.  They are not going to retest you out of the goodness of their black suited hearts.  After second thought, though, don't waste your money on an attorney, either, you are SOL.  Anything you do is a waste of time, move on with your liife.  That's my advice, take it for what it is worth.

nopolycop wrote on Apr 7^th, 2008 at 2:51pm:

Are you suggesting that I get a lawyer to draft my request to be retested?  I appreciate the advice, but my understanding is that granting a retest request is a subjective decision and I'm concerned that too harsh of a letter will not be received well.  I know it's a long shot, but I still want to try and get this job!

I would suggest a letter coming from your attorney.  It will get much more attention than one yourself.  Explain in the letter in clear terms what you are asking for, and that you expect a response within a reasonable amout of time, (setting a date) or an explanation by said date as to why they cannot fulfill your request for information.

George W. Maschke wrote on Apr 1^st, 2008 at 3:48pm:

Does anyone have a good example letter or template to use for disputing the results and requesting a re-test?

Also, should I file a Privacy Act request?  And if so, should I do this concurrent with the dispute/re-test letter or should I wait until after the "appeal" process is concluded?

applicant55 wrote on Apr 1^st, 2008 at 7:32pm:


Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated...

nopolycop wrote on Apr 1^st, 2008 at 5:37pm:

Without going into specifics, part of my job at the FBI would have been to change that mentality (futile or not)!

applicant55 wrote on Apr 1^st, 2008 at 3:34pm:


When you told them how the test worked, and they knew that you knew, you were destined to fail.  You see, the FBI will not tolerate individualist thinking.  The FBI is like the Borg, (you will be assimilated).  If you fight assimilation, you will be killed, (or in this instance, not hired).

I know several retired FBI agents, none of them were happy, and they all retired as soon as they could.  You are better off...

applicant55,

I am saddened, but not surprised, to learn of this (all too common) outcome. You'll want to be sure to contest the polygraph results in writing. If you ever apply for any job that requires a security clearance, your FBI file will be checked and the fact that you "failed a lie detector test" will come to the attention of adjudicators. Your letter disputing the polygrapher's accusation that you lied should be added to your FBI file and is important for the purpose of documenting your disagreement with the results.

UPDATE:
I just found out that I failed the 2nd polygraph.  I'm sure it comes as no surprise to many on this board, but I was 100% truthful on the relevant questions.  What a sad, sad day!

Sackett

Glad you reminded of poetry being written about you.

Here's some more. Written good-naturedly of coarse at you're expense. Another office hanger for you. Hope you take it as lightly as it was written.

Last verse of "The Boxer" My favorite song of Simon & Garfunkel.

"The Polygrapher"

In the clearing stands a polygrapher
a liar by his trade
and he carries the reminder
of every CM that put him down or cut him til he cried out
In his anger and his shame
"I am leaving, I am leaving"
but the polygrapher still remains - ooh la  la-la lalala

Lie  lie-lie , lie lie lie lie lie-lie lie, lie lie

I have the other verses done, but don't have the time to print.

sackett wrote on Mar 28^th, 2008 at 3:09pm:


Gotta admit that is true!  And funny man!   

T.M. Cullen wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 4:25am:


Oh yeah!?  Well, well, uh.... well, you don't have poetry written about you, now do ya!???

Sergeant1107 wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 4:22am:



Hey Sarge,
Well see, we all understand what your saying and it makes perfect sense, except of course ..... Sakett!!

He doesen't know how many examinees have passed because they were truthfull in thier answers as he doesn't know how many failed even though they were truthfull. Unless you want to believe that his 
" answer anaylisis" is even more accurate than the Polygraph.

Quote:


Well thats just rubbish!

How could one tell the truth yet fail.

You are misleading the innocent.

Sackett knows what is talking about.  If one were telling the truth, he'd know it.   

You must be one of those venomous "antis".

TC

sackett wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 2:19pm:


The aspect of his experience he is likely trying to "figure out" is how he could be truthful during his polygraph and not pass with flying colors.

I think that would be enough to make any reasonable person doubt the accuracy of the polygraph.

notguilty1 wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 8:34pm:


Well, usually it does.  I suppose some on this board would in fact be the exception...

BTW, polygraph is with a "Y", not an "i."

Sackett

sackett wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 2:19pm:


Well,
Truth is that being 100% truthfull does not ensure you a passed Poligraph test!!

Sarge,

it seems to me that being 100% truthful is NOT something one has to "figure out."

Sackett

sackett wrote on Mar 11^th, 2008 at 2:52am:


It sounds like he did that the first time and he did not pass.  Wouldn't a reasonable person want to "figure out" how he could tell the truth on a test that purportedly detects deception and yet still not pass?

applicant55,

why don't we wait to find out the results of your examination, before you go running out to join the revolution...

Sackett

FYI - I had "round 2" today.  I told the polygrapher that I did some research and knew how the probable lie control questions work.  Even so, he used that format.  I actually felt that things didn't go well because I was easily able to identify the probable lie control questions and did not feel that "twinge" of anxiety when asked one that I obviously should be lying to.  I also did not attempt to employ any countermeasures.

Unlike the first time, I only had two series of questions (I believe I had a breakdown series in addition the first time).  He didn't push me very hard on any questions except at the very end, but only for a minute.  I asked him what his recommendation would be, but he kind of dodged the question and made some vague comments about me reacting to some of the questions and that HQ would have to sort it out.  It doesn't sound like a good sign...  I hope I'm not another victim of this process!  

Thanks for all the great advice!  I'll be sure to let you know how it turns out.

T.M. Cullen wrote on Mar 11^th, 2008 at 4:15am:


Mr/Ms Cullen,

be careful!  Your sense of humor is showing...

Sackett

sackett wrote on Mar 11^th, 2008 at 2:52am:


Yet, My poligrapher told me that my research probably hurt my results. ( probably cause, now I know he knew nothing for sure )
You can't win ..... it's a dice roll...... you'll see