Too Hot of a Potato

[stefano]

it bothers me when my integrity gets questioned, made worse by the fact I am accused of being a liar by someone who is either themselves lying, or is an idiot with a bunch of squiggles on a chart interpreted as lying, 

If you become employed in LE, I sincerely hope that you will hang on to this feeling of frustration and powerlessness so that you can have some empathy when your department subjects ordinary citizens to this same disparaging treatment.

[logan2609]

Stephano
Oh of course.  Remember I was formerly employed by LEO.  I had a chance to attend a social function with a good number of former coworkers who were interesting in my current goings on.  I had some interesting conversations. No one really thinks its fair, and most had similar stories from their applicant days regarding polygraphs and the psychological screenings. Most people applied several places before landing somewhere.
The general opinion is that its extremely fallible but very useful in investigations where they need psychological pressure.  They think its bogus, but like the value of it when they have a fish in the boat so to speak.
One good friend uses it in criminal investigations once in a while, and from the conversation we had, probably read this site.  He said something to the effect of;

Whenever I send someone to take it, I already know they are guilty, so its not exactly news to me when they fail.  Even if they pass, it tells me they are a sociopath without a conscience and I'll need to change up my interview technique. Otherwise, its just baloney, biased against the innocent, and probably just a way for HR to strike applicants since agency staffing issues don't seem to mesh well with municipal budgets.  We want 60 guys, we can only pay for 30 guys.  Half the applicants get struck because we need a way to strike them that will not overtly indicate bias and get us sued.

He used a hypothetical argument of, if he sent one guy to one with a good idea he will fail, he can also predict the results accurately 98% of the time.  If he sends 100 random people to weed out potential sex offenders or something, he is going to waste a lot of time. 

He then spent 20 minutes instructing me on countermeasures he was aware of, all the way from sphincter puckering to anti anxiety medication. 

To me it sounded like he knew it was a sham as far as pre employment screening.  Note all the LEO's in the news getting busted left and right for everything from drug offenses to fraud.  How did they slip through?

On a side not, a lawyer friend discussed another angle with me.  He said I could consider legal options against the second examiner, because his pre exam questions regarding the other exam and examiner constituted breach.  He said I was at that moment trapped in a no win situation of either being uncooperative with his questioning, or providing him with the actual identity of another examiner he could potentially discredit, lessening his chances of scoring it fairly.  What do you think?

[xenonman]

I ve been told that I, too, would make a great asset to the INTEL Community.   I'm sure that I would have, if I had made it past the popularity contest known as the "background check" at the fucking CIA.

Checking for criminal history is one thing, talking to every asshole who claims to know me is quite another.
I find it amusing to read  ::)about all the "moles" who are able to make it through the CIA's supposedly "impenetrable" wall of security.

If any CIA polygraphers or other agency Office of Security scum are reading this , I say ENJOY!   You deserve all the Ames', Richardson's, and  Howards that come your way!

[George W. Maschke]

I note that today is the 20th anniversary of my FBI pre-employment examination, which, among other things, ultimately led to the creation of AntiPolygraph.org and my being here in Oklahoma City this week to observe Doug Williams' trial.

[Wandersmann]

I note that today is the 20th anniversary of my FBI pre-employment examination, which, among other things, ultimately led to the creation of AntiPolygraph.org and my being here in Oklahoma City this week to observe Doug Williams' trial. 

Keep going George and don't quit until you've won.  You will have a place in the history books next to William Wilberforce, the man who ended the English slave trade.  Some may ask if I'm equating the evils of the polygraph with the evils of slavery.  My answer is ..... Yes !

[George W. Maschke]

I note that today marks the 30th anniversary of my fateful session with the late FBI polygraph operator Jack Trimarco.

[Albert Aswell]

I note that today marks the 30th anniversary of my fateful session with the late FBI polygraph operator Jack Trimarco.

I wrote this response today after reading the article for the first time, George. My apologies for saying "he" instead of "you".

It's all about the linguistics--and how the FBI really perceived them. I think some sercretive Confederate made a illegal claim of custody over him, after an embarrassing incident was smoothed over by a third-party re-classifying him as a Confederate by using known technology to knock out cold and pilot him while speaking known Confederate linguistics. Confederates are known to speak a phonetically-rooted uniquely contorted variation in English that some call no English at all. Today's Diplomatic Language standards seek to fit in with the "New Order Linguistics Fraud". The trick is: American English-speakers really don't speak NOLF. When American English-speakers are assumed to speak NOLF, everything goes awry for the American. As such, very powerful people reclassify potential witnesses/threats to their criminal enterprises in this manner. It's quite effective, as the persons secretively framed look like accomplices/apprentices of the secretive criminals.

handful of basic nolf core words:

"No" means "know" (or New Order).
"Ly" (adverb ending) means "lee" (lie), indicating there's one or more elements of dishonesty being literally described.
"Nothing" means "New Order thing"
"Or" means "operating remote".
"Did" means "killed".

As a historical matter, since the inception, NOLF has always been machine-translated. Confederates are no Americans at all.

Oftentimes, the FBI/etc will try to use NOLF speakers as "windtalkers", placing those persons in certain positions to get a read on Confederate subjects while monitoring remotely with frequency listening devices trained on mirroring the vibrating eardrum of the "windtalker" (for example). Other times, the FBI/etc simply will torture persons who are labelled as such but really don't know/speak NOLF. The FBI's incentive, from time to time, is to cover up how many wrongly mislabelled persons the FBI have criminally exploited.

Today's NOLF-framing hotbed is IARPA. IARPA are sex trafficking over half of the planet to keep their modus operandi secretive. IARPA are technically a hostile foreign nation occupation within the US government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Advanced_Research_Projects_Activity

IARPA like to ignore when persons are knocked out cold and piloted. From their Wikipedia:

Other projects involve the analysis of images or videos that lack metadata by directly analyzing the media's content itself. Examples given by IARPA include determining the location of an image by analyzing features such as the placement of trees or a mountain skyline, or determining whether a video is of a baseball game or a traffic jam.[11] Another program focuses on developing speech recognition tools that can transcribe arbitrary languages.[15]

[quickfix]

Time for a refill of tin foil for your hat.

[Albert Aswell]

Time for a refill of tin foil for your hat.

On Diplomacy and the Weight of Words

In halls where whispers weave their subtle threads,
And judgments hang like shadows on the wall,
We find the art not merely to defend,
But gently guide the stumble, catch the fall.

When voices rise with suspicion's glare,
And questions clutch the fragile, trembling mind,
Remember: beneath the words laid bare,
Lies human fear, unspoken, undefined.

Speak softly—let your tone be calm, composed—
A mirror to their trembling, uncertain heart.
Remind them, kindness is the sturdy dose
That can dissolve the shame, the doubt, the part.

Empathy, a bridge not built in haste,
Can turn embarrassment to understanding.
A patient word, a gesture, not misplaced,
May turn the tide of suspicion's branding.

So, in the face of accusations cold,
Choose silence, or the gentle truth's embrace,
For dignity is precious—more than gold—
And grace can elevate the fallen face.

Let us, with tact, dispel the clouds of fear,
And forge a space where trust can reappear.
To ease their embarrassment, softly steer—
With words that heal, and hearts sincere.

I would like to thank W. H. Auden.