My spouse suspects me of cheating. She has no proof of this, and would like me to take a polygraph test. I am worried that it will produce a false positive result. Does anyone have experience in this area?
Also - is there a difference between Doug Williams book that he sells online for $47.95 , and The Lie Behind The Detector that is offered on this site?
If your marriage has come to the point of having to sit through a polygraph exam to determine if you're cheating or not,then my best advice would be to move on with your life without her. If you still would like to prove your innocence then take your wife to the nearest Fortune Teller and sit down and have your past, present and future read in front of her. It is way more accurate than the polygraph plus it will save you some much needed cash that might have to be used for a divorce lawyer. As far as the polygraph books are concerned, the one on this site contains most of the same info. as the Doug Williams one. Again you'll save some much needed cash.
HarryO,
It seems to me that it would be foolhardy for you to submit to a polygraph "test" and ignorant for your wife to put any stock in the outcome of such a "test." As we note in Chapter 1 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, the procedure has not been shown by peer-reviewed scientific research to work at better than chance levels of accuracy, nor could it, because polygraph "testing" is actually an unstandardizable procedure that is fundamentally dependent on trickery. Your marriage might be better off if you were to print out a copy of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and read it together with your wife.
In his manual, "How to Sting the Polygraph," Doug Williams teaches polygraph countermeasures that are consistent with those described in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. Mr. Scalabrini and I cover some additional techniques not included in Mr. Williams' manual, and I think we do a better job of describing how to distinguish between relevant and so-called "control" questions. In addition, we provide discussion of polygraph validity, policy, and grievance procedures that is absent from "How to Sting the Polygraph."
Mr. Williams provides illustrations representing the breathing patterns that may be employed to produce a "truthful" polygraph chart, while we do not. Another key difference is that the price of "How to Sting the Polygraph" includes consultation in the event you have questions. In contrast, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector is free, and Mr. Scalabrini and I make no promise to provide consultation, though we will do our best to answer questions posted to this message board or e-mailed to us.
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"In contrast, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector is free,"
Just wanted to say that I think you guys are doing something great by offering this free. It shows that you truly believe in your cause and not just trying to make a buck! Thanks again for the book.
Nate,
Thanks for your kind words. Members of the polygraph community have made a lot of comments that false positives are nearly non-existent and that stories are being blown out of proportion in order to sell manuals on polygraph countermeasures. Many have wrongly attacked Doug Williams in this manner. This is why we have insisted in providing our materials at no cost to readers.
Let us know if you have any suggestions for the next edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector the book. I am considering making a separate board on the forum for comments and suggestions regarding the book.
Also, thanks for your continued participation on the message board. You may wish to use your registered account so you can edit post and exchange private messages with other users.
Best,
Thanks for everyone's suggestions and advice. More importantly, thanks for providing this site. I am now armed with the Lie Behind The Lie Detector, as well as Doug Williams book. Overboard? Maybe....
I must say - I am scared shitless about taking this polygraph test. Not because I am guilty of infidelity, but because of a possible false positive result. If that happens it will be life altering for myself and my family. There are valid personal reasons why I simply must go through with the test. Trust me on this.
I spoke with a polygrapher today and he assured me that he has a documented 94% accuracy rating. I asked him how he could possibly come up with that number. His reponse was from confessions from people. Does that make any sense? I told him that I understood there is an 80 - 97% accuracy rating for the test, and that a 1 out of 5 chance for a false positive result concerns me. He brushed that off. Has anyone ever heard a polygrapher brag about his accuracy rating?
QuoteHas anyone ever heard a polygrapher brag about his accuracy rating?
Such bragging is standard operating procedure for polygraphers. The ostensible purpose for this is to heighten the deceptive subject's fear of detection while allaying the truthful subject's fear of a false positive outcome. I don't know to what extent polygraphers might come to actually believe their own bragging, but it seems to be a common phenomenon.
While the polygrapher with whom you spoke may believe that he can determine truth from deception with 94% accuracy, in cases where no confession is obtained, he is likely never to truly know whether the subject was truthful or deceptive.
Thanks to this message board and the Doug Williams manual I passed my polygraph exam. I took the exam last Sunday. After the examination the examiner asked me if I studied measures on how to beat the polygraph. Of course I said no.
One thing puzzled me. At the beginning of the exam she asked me to write down a number from 1 to 10 and place it in my pocket so she couldn't see it. She asked me to say no and to lie when she asked me if I picked number 1, 2, 3, etc. During this time I used the breathing counter-measures as I did during all the Control questions. Surprisingly, she was able to pick out which number I had written down.
Since I was able to beat the polygraph through counter-measures, how was she able to pick out the number I chose?
To all doubters - Counter measures do work. Thanks again to all of the dedicated folks on this site who are passionate about their beliefs, and have taken the time to spread the word to others....
HarryO,
Could you explain precisely what countermeasures you employed during the "stim test?" It is counterproductive to attempt to confound the polygrapher during this portion of the polygraph interrogation, and on the contrary, it is to the examinee's benefit to produce a strong physiological response to the number he/she actually chose, thereby convincing the polygrapher that he/she will show a strong response to any question answered deceptively.
There are ways a polygraph examiner could know what number you wrote without divining it from your polygraph charts. For example, if your polygrapher provided you with a pad of paper on which to write your number, a slip of carbon paper hidden beneath the 2nd or 3rd page of the pad could have left an impression of the number you wrote.
I thought it was strange that in all 3 different polygraph examinations I never received a "Sim Test". I think they are a bunch of crap because logically thinking, if the polygraph is so accurate why would you need to do one?
George,
I used the breathing techniques to mess with the pneumo tracing, and sphincter muscle to mess with the blood pressure gage. These were used throughout the entire exam, including the stim test.
It is possible that the examiner watched what I wrote down.
Quote from: Nate on Apr 05, 2001, 03:49 PM
I thought it was strange that in all 3 different polygraph examinations I never received a "Sim Test". I think they are a bunch of crap because logically thinking, if the polygraph is so accurate why would you need to do one?
Nate,
Note that the term of art is "stim test" not "sim test." "Stim" is short for "stimulation": the purpose of the "stim test" is to dupe the subject into believing that the procedure really works. It is expected that this will lead deceptive subjects to respond more strongly to the relevant questions, and innocent subjects to respond more strongly to the "control" questions.
James Allen Matte summarizes the rationale of this little charade at p. 307 of
Forensic Psychophysiology Using the Polygraph:QuoteThe theory of the Stimulation test postulates that once the innocent examinee is reassured that he/she will be found innocent of the crime for which he/she is being examined, his/her concern or psychological set will be focused strictly on the control questions to which he/she is lying. The forensic psychophysiologist (FP) [a buzzword for "polygrapher"] then may expect clear charts showing consistency of response to the control questions and a comparative absence of response to the relevant questions. On the other hand, by convincing the guilty examinee through the use of the stimulation test of the accuracy of the test and competency of the FP, the guilty examinee will become more fearful of the discovery of his/her lie to the relevant questions and his/her psychological set will be focused directly on the crime questions, which are now definitely more threatening to his/her well-being, dampening out any concern over the control questions, due to anticlimax dampening as explained in Chapters 8 and 9. The stimulation test will in effect stimulate the guilty to more pronounced reactions on the relevant questions thereby producing clearer, more distinct charts due to anticlimax dampening of the control questions responses.
Quote from: HarryO on Apr 05, 2001, 06:07 PM
George,
I used the breathing techniques to mess with the pneumo tracing, and sphincter muscle to mess with the blood pressure gage. These were used throughout the entire exam, including the stim test.
It is possible that the examiner watched what I wrote down.
HarryO,
You goofed by doing this during the "stim test," but it's not a big deal. During the "in-test" phase (the part that really counts), by producing stronger physiological responses to the "control" questions than to the relevant questions, you ensured that you would pass.
I wish you and your wife all the best in sorting out the difficulties in your marriage, and hope that you'll never again feel compelled to submit to this asinine procedure.
I have taken a polygraph test to prove to my husband that I never cheated and it came up positive for deception for cheating. My marriage is crumbling and I have no idea what to do. I have never cheated on my husband and now I have no way to prove it. I am now being accused of things I haven't done. I need help but I don't know where to turn.
I need to add to my last post that I'm not going to download this book because it talks about how to pass a polygraph. My husband is going to have me take another one and I do not need that added to the fire when he is now checking everything I do. Please give me some advice here.
What if....
The next examiner scores you as being deceptive? Or even if not, do you really think his doubts and suspicions are going to go away? You don't need to be here. You need to be in marriage counseling. Don't waste your money on another polygraph exam.
You don't need us to give you tips on how to beat the poly behind your husband's back. Just brazenly download the book and read it with him. Refuse to take any more tests.
If your husband doesn't trust you a polygraph is not going to help anything. Maybe you guys can talk to your pastor or a marriage counselor and talk about your issues.
If you don't care about working out your issues and just want to beat the test and make your husband think that it proves your innocence, just look it up at the library and print it out and find out how to beat it behind his back. It is very easy to lie and pass the polygraph once you figure out how it works.
Quote from: Vetsgirl on Jun 12, 2011, 07:59 PMI need to add to my last post that I'm not going to download this book because it talks about how to pass a polygraph. My husband is going to have me take another one and I do not need that added to the fire when he is now checking everything I do. Please give me some advice here.
Don't take a polygraph. If you are telling the truth, there is no way for a truthful person to ensure they will pass simply by answering the questions truthfully. If you are lying, there is no way to ensure you will pass regardless of countermeasure usage.
If the person demanding that you take a polygraph is at all familiar with the polygraph, he or she will know that a passing score does not prove truthfulness, nor does a failing score prove deception. Given that, there is absolutely no reason to take a polygraph unless it is a requirement for a job that you want.
My wife took a polygraph test but the administrator seemed to avoid the specific question I wanted asked if she had talked to a certain person on the phone about a month ago. He asked her if she had sexual enter course since March 2013. I told him I was most concerned if she had talked to him on a specific day about a month ago. So. He still asked the sex enter course question but he added the question:have you had sexual contact or any other contact with him since March 2013. He said the second part of the question "any other contact" would cover if she talked to him a month ago. It seems to me that by asking her have you had any sexual contact as the first part of that question may have helped her pass since she has not had sex with him since 2012. Made specifically clear I don't believe she has had sex again with him but I believe she talked to him a month ago. It seemed to me he centered the test around the sex question. She paid for the test and had her name on everything, so do you think if she had told him not to ask about talking to him a month ago, but to ask about sex only because she can pass that question for sure, is why maybe he avoided the question I wanted asked?
Profesional opinion.
Thanks. Chris Farr
Quotehave you had sexual contact or any other contact with him since March 2013.
This is referred to as a compound question, and as a "relevant" question, has no validity. Why? Suppose one answers "yes" to this question; what would you ask next? "Well, which was it?" Any time someone answers a question and you have to ask "Well, which is/was it?", you know you have an invalid test question.
To know if my wife is cheating on me with another man.
I hate infidelity tests and avoid them at all costs. too much aggravation and emotion to deal with.
Seriously people, money is better spent on a shrink or a lawyer if your marriage has gotten to that point
Joe, if you truly believe in polygraph's purported accuracy -- claimed by the indu$try to be about 90% or better -- why do you shun fidelity exams?
Hey, aggravation and emotion are part and parcel of most polygraph procedures. What's the big deal?
Let me go out on a limb...
Do you lack confidence in the "test" when a broken home or domestic violence could be a direct by-product of YOUR decision, better known in progressive polygraph circles as a Scientific Wild-Ass Guess? Do you fear the emotion that's inextricably linked to a fidelity "test" could unduly contribute to a false-positive result?
Sorry for the delayed response, I don't check this as often as I did back in the day.
anyway
My answer is very simple, I have seen too many fights and arguments in my office regardless of the result. I have also see too many divorces regardless of result. I just hate the vibe it leaves.
No one is happy, everyone is angry, women are with crying if the guy fails, or pissed at me if the guy passes. If it's the woman who is taking the test, if they fail, I get a lot of crying or worse yet a confrontational woman with a psycho complex; if she passes, they guy is pissed at me.
There is literally no win to a test like this and I decided that offering this services not doing a positive service for anyone. A couple's money is best spent on a therapist or better yet, mage cone consuling from a priest or paster may be a better way to go.
Maybe I should just give any future infidelity clients the contact info for the Holden's, Hubbard or Clayton Wood. If one were to take the Walker County TRO seriously, they seem to know a lot about the subject. We also know they like charging money for a test they either don't believe in or avoid like the black plague.
Cheating spouses is just a drama I don't want around me.
Just that simple
I took a polygraph test yesterday me and my boyfriend both decided to do one just to reassure each other. My heart was pounding the whole time I was taking it and I have bad anxiety that might have caused this. Also the whole time I was taking it I was thinking how this was going to make or break my relationship.. I have never cheated and never even thought about it. EcUse I love him with all my heart he is my world and somehow I still failed the test and there's nothing I can say to make him. Relieve me I was telling the truth on the test. Which can u blame him? Little to say he is now leaving me and I'm devastated.
Cierra,
I am an American Polygraph Association certified examiner.
You can look me up at www.polygraph.org or www.polygraphman.com.
Take my word on this...
Scientifically speaking, the polygraph "test" is a crapshoot. In other words, a gamble.
Why?
Polygraph "testing" accuracy is unknown and unknowable.
I'll be happy to explain.
Please feel free to have your boyfriend contact me from 9AM to 9PM Eastern time at 603-801-5179.
Meanwhile, don't despair. The truth about the polygraph "test" will set you free.
Sincerely,
Daniel Mangan
603-801-5179
See if "Quickfix" is seeking a mate. You two might make a great pair! :D ;D
Cierra, or any other, who needs to take or re-take an infidelity test - yes it is super stressful - here is what I did to win (lie as well); and beat the box.
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=5587.msg43384#msg43384