Hi all.
I've been on probation for about two years, and have taken two maintenance polygraphs. The first two polygraphs were taken without seeking information on the polygraph on the Internet.
I am a registered sex offender, and was originally charged with viewing child pornography on the Internet. No victims were involved, and my probation officer seems more concerned about me wanting to go out and physically harm a child than anything else. I still don't understand that; but I will live with it. I am currently in therapy that is NOT helping; I sit in a group, talk about not offending, and waste an hour (not to mention a large chunk of change) of my time.
Result of the first polygraph was an earfull of admissions to the Polygrapher (per the probation officer's and therapist's "suggestions"), and a failed polygraph.
The second polygraph taken was answered totally and completely honestly, with further admissions, and came back inconclusive. On those grounds, I was transferred back to my offending state where I received a violation hearing and an extra year of probation.
My problem is, I have a polygraph coming up in about a week or so, and I am extremely nervous about failing it. I am pretty sure that if I fail, I will be sent to jail, and will possibly face a resentencing for Prison.
If I do pass my polygraph, it will be the first one I've ever passed.
I don't know what to do here. I feel that I will probably react negatively to some of the relevant questions, and I want to do everything I can to do avoid reacting to relevant questions. I think this is impossible.
In order to better prepare myself, I have bought Doug Williams' manual online, and have read over this manual. Both manuals seem to say to do the same thing: Control breathing and anal sphincter.
DOES THIS WORK? How many people have tried this method with it working, even if they reacted slightly to a relevant question? I am very scared, and want to pass it so I can finally get back to a life of semi-normalcy. I would appreciate any feedback people have here. I need to know how I can best prepare myself for the test.
Signed,
Nervous PolyAntiPass
(Nick chosen because I seem to have no luck passing polys, whether honest or deceitful)
Quote from: Polyantipass on May 24, 2002, 04:52 AMI am a registered sex offender, and was originally charged with viewing child pornography on the Internet. No victims were involved, and my probation officer seems more concerned about me wanting to go out and physically harm a child than anything else. I still don't understand that; but I will live with it.
Probation Officers know that the viewing of exploited children is usually a precursor of or simply one of other, more malicious habits in which pedophiles engage. Victims were involved sir, the subjects in the photographs. The fact that you don't see that is troubling.
QuoteI am currently in therapy that is NOT helping; I sit in a group, talk about not offending, and waste an hour (not to mention a large chunk of change) of my time.
If the urge to reoffend is truly absent (which I respectfully doubt), then I fail to see why you have not moved through the course of therapy rather quickly. If the urge to reoffend is still present, or if you are reoffending, it's apparent to just about everyone reading this that you're still in denial that you have a problem. As clumsy as they are, most states' SOTP programs are worthwhile from a therapeutic standpoint-- ABSENT private treatment from a Board Certified Clinical Pyschologist or Psychiatrist. The hammer of probation violation/possible jail time usually is enough to give a patient pause to reflect over the kind of behavior they engaged in and why it is so very wrong, legally, morally, ethically. If you think things are bad now, I can assure you jail time for pedophiles is a living hell. Beatings, extortion, sexual abuse, and a possible death sentence via STD are not out of the question.
QuoteResult of the first polygraph was an earfull of admissions to the Polygrapher (per the probation officer's and therapist's "suggestions"), and a failed polygraph.
No polygraph interrogator, no Probation Officer, no therapist is going to believe you if your denials and subsequent limited admissions continue. If these were false admissions, then you need to correct that as soon as possible.
QuoteThe second polygraph taken was answered totally and completely honestly, with further admissions, and came back inconclusive. On those grounds, I was transferred back to my offending state where I received a violation hearing and an extra year of probation.
What was the exact violation of probation?
QuoteMy problem is, I have a polygraph coming up in about a week or so, and I am extremely nervous about failing it. I am pretty sure that if I fail, I will be sent to jail, and will possibly face a resentencing for Prison.
I can see why.
QuoteI don't know what to do here. I feel that I will probably react negatively to some of the relevant questions, and I want to do everything I can to do avoid reacting to relevant questions. I think this is impossible.
Anyone, anyone can pass a polygraph-- even people as troubled as you.
You need a lawyer. You need (and I base this on your post) therapy.
I'm may be in denial, however, I admit the fact that I did the crime, and I am indeed paying the time for what I did. I understand that although no physical victims were involved with my crime, the crime I committed allowed me to create victims. This is what I meant in the original post, although I should have stated that the first time. I am not denying that I did the crime, and that I need help.
I admit that the urge to reoffend is not absent, but is being controlled semi-effectively with smelling salts and a wrist rubber band shock. Both work when they are used; and I admit that they have not been used all the time. I am not reoffending as badly as I used to, but I have also not stopped. It is something I am still working on, and I don't deny that this is a problem. My current therapy is not helping address this problem.
In the other state I was in, I was on drug therapy which worked very well. I have had a tough time finding a therapist here who can do the same type of treatment, partly because of lack of money (I don't make a lot of money where I work) and partly because of lack of good insurance to cover the bills.
NO admissions I have ever made were false. Ever. I have been told by therapy NOT to make any admissions to my Probation Officer: "Don't offer him/her anything." So, I have been following that rule.
I'm not trying to raise red flags with anyone in this forum. I'm simply asking for honest help. I know I need help, and I know I'm not getting the help I need. I need to know how to get the help I need to avoid being incarcerated while I'm honestly trying to better myself at this point in time.
I know the Probation Officer and therapists are very concerned that I may offend by actually physically harming a child. I have not had any urges or thoughts to do so.
Thanks for the feedback.
beech trees, you have to admit this is a catch 22 for the public. If this person is sent to prison then he will receive no constructive therapy, but if he stays in the public, there is a risk. I am not one to believe the purpose of prison is rehab, but in this case I think it is in the public's best interest to have this person rehabilitated. I can't say that he is progressing at a rate that makes me comfortable, but if he goes to prison all his therapy may be for not. I truely believe that it is in the public's best interest for this person to stay out of prison and receive treatment. It is not often enough that sex offenders see their problem and are truly honest about their experiences. Remember that sex offenders are addicts just like drug addicts. They experience the same chemical reactions in their brains. I was an investigator for child protective services and now I am police officer. I have a great deal of experience with this area. I am not offering excuses for this man, but I recognize the disease and this man needs help, help he will not receive in prison.
I'll admit, this post and the topics it addresses give me great pause. I don't know if I have any constructive advice.
I agree, prison would not be in the best interests of this individual, based on the content of his posts. He would receive zero treatment and be among other, even more hardcore offenders.
beech
Thank you all for the kind replies. I will post results of my polygraph, and will further post results of my therapy so people here can get an understanding of just what I am experiencing.
Perhaps I don't know enough about what therapy would be positive for me. I have tried all sorts of therapy so far, and I found that private sessions with a skilled psychologist seem to work the best. I was on Prozac, and that helped with my libido and limited sexual drive to an almost 0 point.
But that didn't take away the habitual nature of my want to reoffend. I do understand all of the negatives of the crime in which I committed, and I do understand everything that it has caused. I am not ignorant in that regard. Nor am I hiding from the consequences I have received. I am further not a flight risk, and I always answer to my convictions and problems.
I also agree that putting me in jail and prison will not help me; it will just make me older. I have a life to live, and the more help I can get while I'm out, the more I will grow as a person. My father called my interests an "infantalism", or something that we're accustomed to when young that never grows out of our system.
Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's a chemical imbalance. Maybe I wasn't raised right; my parents went through a divorce when I was very young. Whatever the agressors, I am not putting the blame on anyone but myself. I am just trying to live my life a day at a time until I get off of probation and can seek the true help I need, without the fear of what an admission might cause me.
Thanks for everyone's kind replies. I understand how people feel, but you have to understand my point of view, too. We're not all bad. We've just got a habit or imbalance that we're learning to deal with.
This is why you are failing. You show great fear over the machine. I know from personal experience you must be confident in the test you are about to take. You MUST be comfortable with the relevant questions. Don't let them say you MUST PASS THE WHOLE POLYGRAPH garbage to pass. The control questions must have a higher RESPONSE than the relevant questions to pass the test. If you feel your butt cheeks beginning to squeeze (raising your blood pressure) say to yourself I already disclosed that to them I am not hiding anything. Repeat over and over taking your mind off raising your blood pressure. Go over your relevant questions with your group and have them ask you questions you are comfortable with. If this is your FULL DISCLOSURE polygraph you could be holding back something that happened when you were real young and it's tripping you up. Maintenance polygraphs are a piece of cake from there on. The problem with child pornography is there is many victims involved. The images get stuck in your head. Talk to your GROUP and probation officer that its the images in your head that you need to see as victims. Once you do the fear will be over on passing the polygraph. Remember you must pass the RELEVANT questions. Keep that in your mind going into your next polygraph. Take it from a person who has personally taken 20 polygraphs. I know what im talking about and know what you are experiencing FIRSTHAND.
Mr. PolyAnti-Pass,
The reason you are not passing your tests is that you are still living the lie about who and what you are. You confuse "attendance" of your meetings with being in "compliance" with your program, and that your attorney got you this deal instead of prison / jail ! Sex Offenders are by there very nature Liars, Manipulators, and Cons who live a double life. Your existance here on this website alone puts you in conflict with your program as you are seeking a way other than dealing with the truth about yourself, and trying to beat the test. It proves my former point about George being no less than civilly responsible for guys like you who studies show go out and offend again and again. Is there any part of you that wants to change and lose the urges to screw children or masturbate to images of that ? There are many people in society, me being one of them, that would like to put you people up against a brick wall if and when clearly caught in the act, and shoot you. We could simply call it a delayed abortion of a XXXX year old fetus who failed the test of humanity to his fellow man. Don't seek pitty from me / us on this website or elswhere, just be lucky you have been given a chance to change; and do so mentally and if necessary physically too. You are exactly the convicted piece of shit the pro-poly people say geeorge is out to help, and God is keeping a tab on that meter.
TheNoLieGuy
Okay, here's an update for all of you who thought I was such the bad guy that I may have portrayed myself to be in the original post. >:(
Needless to say, all of you were right. I cannot say that I no longer have a desire to look at things I should not, but I have learned to keep them under control, and have learned (and used) enough of the tools to keep myself from relapsing into another cycle. I know where I am at in my life with my cycle, and I know how to control myself at this point.
It's replies like this that upset me the most - which was the point of the reply in the first place - to piss me off.
#1- You don't know me. You don't know anything ABOUT me.
#2- You have no idea what my original conviction was, and what the circumstances of the alegations were, so your opinion has no bearing in how I conduct my life or how anyone else here should percieve me.
It's unfortunate that they let people like you judge people like us when you hear the word "child" or "pedophile" or "sex" used in the same sentence. This country is founded on the belief that "all people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law." Any one of us who has been on the other side of that stigma know how much of a load of bullshit it is. People like you are so blinded by the fact that children (read "minors") are involved with something religious buffs or hard-headed people simply will not see past the fact that a minor was involved in any sort of crime. They will not listen to any side of the stories; in your minds, we are guilty from the point we stand up.
And it's people like you who give jurys a bad name. People may be innocent of the crime at hand. It's up to the prosecutor to make us look as bad as possible, and the defense to defend our right(s) and circumstances as to what happened.
Had everyone here had the ability to review all of the facts in question, people would probably have a different view about the facts.
I do not deny what I did. I'm not covering it up. I simply expressed my concern about what was going on with my Polygraphs, and since I've already passed three since the last failed polygraph, I'd say I have a good handle on things.
Also, I did not have to rely on any of the safety mechanisms in this book/essay. I simply told the truth and was at total ease with myself.
But I did not come here to necessarily learn how to cheat the system. I came here to learn how polygraphs work and what they measure, and I came for support (or lack of support) from my fellow colleagues.
It's unfortunate that there are people like you out there that are here to ridicule people like us when you don't know the facts at hand. It's people like us who are convicted with a sex crime of this very nature that tend to outrage people when they are too blind to read the facts before making judgements about people. I pity people like you, because you see past the innocent and guilty based on the fact that children are involved.
ONE MORE TIME !
Look Mr. PolyAntiPass,
1. The fact that you are here is no less than perponderance of evidence that you want to "Beat" the system. A system that caught you and convicted you of being a low life piece of shit child molester. The world is 52% women, and you could not find it within yourself to find one of them to latch onto and live a normal life. Rather, you found it somehow better to take an age inappropriate male or female child and impose your lust on them. THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND CLEARLY ABOUT YOU. Whether you are successful in working throught your issues does not matter to me, but it is the only way you will keep your freedom and have any chance of getting back a normal life again. As far as I am concerned ther is no cure for you, or others like you, and if society is lucky we can only deactivate that part of your brain which is malfunctioning.
2. I also can make a prima facie case that George knew exactly what he was doing when he came to a point in time that posting some of this information on this website might help someone like you to "try" and beat the system. Beating the system is what guys like you and George are all about ! He could not obtain the job he sought and blames the Polygraph Operator for being the sole gate keeper from his goal, and you as evidenced in your last posting, blame everyone (Prosecutor, Judges, The System, Victim) for your problem which was an act of your free will. The rewards of George's efforts is to stand shoulder to shoulder with guys like you, so too bad he isn't young enought for you to be attracted to him, and for him to get what's comming to him for assisting guys like you.
3. You are not in compliance with your program. Clearly your rules of probation do not allow you to visit websites to confer with other convicted felons other than in group therapy, and this may in fact be a question on your next polygraph test !!
Stop pretending like your in the twilight zone and you are the victim !! Studies show that sex offenders like you have multiple victims, and until you get honest, write out a complete and truthful sexual history; then your therapist will know how to treat you so you can be deactivated from a thought process and cycle of deviance we in society just will not accept. Otherwise the alternative is to simply warehouse you with other criminals who would not see you as a very popular guy.
4. YOU DID IT !! ( Studies show more than once), You got caught, there was a victim(s), get honest, and proceed with the deactivation of your fucked up mind.
5. Don't ask for our pitty again, and if you try to beat the test then you had better count on the fact that with improvements in technology (hardware & software) you will be exposed for the liar you "still" want to be (that's why your here & don't minimize that)
6. George is not your patron saint to preserve your sin or desire for it, and that Polygraph Examiner is going to play his/her part in validating your claims. Lie if you want to, but don't complain when your caught !!
7. .... And I'll end with this---- I've had it with sex offenders. So don't ever again tell someone like me that I don't understand you and people like you. I'm not looking to understand you, I'm telling you straight that people like you in all parts of the country are not far from a lynching mob if you don't get with your program, cleanse your filthy minds, and deactivate your urges in this area completely. When you lie to your family, therapist, probation officer, and Polygraph Examiner---- it will be YOU that pays the price in dollars and time and social labeling.
TheNoLieGuy
TheNoLieGuy,
You sure are a piece of work. Polyantipass has a conviction for viewing child pornography. Who said he physically molested anybody??? It seems that you are one of those who follow the illogical reasoning that since 90% of all KNOWN child molesters had some child pornography, than ALL persons who view this pornography are child molesters. This is akin to saying that since 90% of all bank robbers use a firearm, than all persons who have a firearm have robbed a bank. I don't think so.
You follow another flawed statistic, in saying that the studies show he had multiple victims. Polyantipass may have viewed 200 different kids, so he had 200 victims. I don't think so. Yes, the children he viewed are victims. But not his. This is how the statisticians jack the numbers up.
You also state that all sex offenders go out and re-offend again and again... No, only 13% of them do that. I will also point out that 78% of all sex offenders committed their offense against a family member or someone they know very well. Do you have kids? Does your brother or sister? If so, the odds are about 3.5 to 1 that YOU will molest them, not Polyantipass.
It is sad that some bad people will use the information found on this site to remain free to do whatever it is they do, or that people may become cops that have no business being one, etc. The world is full of people who will use good things for bad reasons. One must weigh it all in the balance, and I'm sure George has done so. I personally believe that the good people who are assisted by this site far outnumber the bad, and that makes it worthwhile. In the case of sex offenders, the polygraph doesn't really matter. If they are offending, they will be caught.
Now for you, Antipolypass, now that I have somewhat defended you. Get your ..s into some real therapy. Accept your deviant desires for what they are. A rubber band on your wrist?? Get real. If you can't seem to sit at a computer without finding yourself wandering to child pornography sites, THROW THE D..N THING OUT THE WINDOW. Remove the temptation. Come clean with your therapist. Explain to him or her what it is you are feeling when you view these images. Listen to the other people in your group. Odds are, they have the same thoughts and desires you do. You can't just sit there and daydream. If it isn't working for you, seek out a different therapist or group. Realize that those kids in those pictures are victims. They may not be yours, per se, but they are victims nonetheless. And they were victimized because somebody knew that you would want to see it. It may not be you in the picture, but you are indirectly responsible for the vicimization. Accept this fact. You need to think about these pictures in some way that causes you to puke all over the place when you see one instead of becoming aroused.
While it is not definite that you will go out and molest a child as TNLG says, there is a POSSIBILITY that you will do so. Just as some people grow tired of smoking pot and move up to cocaine, some people in your position will weary of pictures and want to experience the "real deal". I am NOT saying that this will happen to you. But I am saying that if you don't get some help the odds of it happening will increase with every day. And if it does, you will be caught and sent to prison for a long time.
Since I've already raised TNLG's ire, I will tell you Polyantipass that I also am a convicted sex offender. I am guilty of saving the life of a girl running away to Atlanta, GA. The thanks I got for that was a 10 year probation sentence. I have completed 6 of those years at this point, and I have learned an awful lot about sex offenders in that time. My therapy only lasted 3 months, because the therapist quickly realized that I harbored no deviant thoughts. But I remain in contact with her. And the entire event has caused my now 19 year-old daughter to seek a degree in child psychology with an emphasis on sexual abuse, because she wants to find out why it is that kids will make false accusations in a situation like that. She feels really strongly about this because she was with me at the time of the "offense", in the truck with us.
Anyway, get some help now. It may be too late, if you have a poly coming up real soon. But if I was you, I'd get real serious, real fast. Unless you truly DON'T want to change. In which case you need to find some other site to frequent.
TheNoLieGuy,
You write:
Quote...The fact that you are here is no less than perponderance of evidence that you want to "Beat" the system. A system that caught you and convicted you of being a low life piece of shit child molester....
The word is preponderance, and neither Polyantipass's presence on this site nor any other visitor's is any degree (preponderance or otherwise) of evidence of wanting to "beat" the test. Until you utilize valid diagnostic instruments for making your determinations (have you yet read that which I recommended for your reading pleasure related to the APL/JHU algorithm development??) you have absolutely no basis from which to draw such a conclusion.
Of more concern to me than your faulty logic is that which is revealed by your attitude and language. If that which I have quoted is representative of your thought pattern and language for even the stressful environment of criminal interrogation let alone normal casual discourse (including message board posts), you have absolutely no business having any professional contact with the public. You are a disgrace to the more responsible members of your profession and should seek and are in need of professional help (albeit for different reasons) every bit as much as Polyantipass. In two sentences you reveal such gross inadequacies in both reasoning ability and communication/social skills development as to discredit your profession more than any anti-polygraph individual could ever accomplish.
Thanks for the answer back from everyone, and thanks for the words, whether negative or not.
I don't deny that the therapy that I've received thus far hasn't been enough: all the therapist at this point is wanting is my money to get me off of probation. That's all the therapist is currently concerned about. How does this help me? It doesn't.
You've asked why I can't get another therapist. The answer is money. I don't make a lot of money in my current position, and therefore cannot afford to see another therapist without shelling out massive amounts of money. Therapy's not free, and it is not covered by insurance.
I have tried aversive therapy, and it has worked for the most part. I still use the rubber band around my wrist when any temptations occur, and now know when and what my warnings signs happen, and what they are, and I know how to prevent them. I do want help, and I am getting a fair degree of what I consider to be "help", but I am not getting enough.
Needless to say, I've had a lot of training and therapy. However, it seems my therapist at this point is more concerned about getting paid than anything else. And that's not helping me.
After all is said and done, and I'm off of probation, I will be seeking the professional help I need as soon as I can, because I will be able to leave the state that I currently live in, and will be able to make more money. Because the therapy I have right now is state-mandated, I cannot get full recovery skills because the person training me doesn't necessarily have all the skills necessary to help prevent relapse to a 99% degree.
I do not deny the fact that there is a possibility with me that I could re-offend or move on to something else. I do know that pornography creates victims, and each time I visit a site or purchase a membership, I am helping to create victims, even if the victims are not directly a result of me.
And, to help combat any cravings, I do not have a computer at home, nor do I want one at home. A computer is a work tool, and I treat it as such. Part of my problem was doing this at work, which I have stopped since last year (prior to learning a valuable lesson from my probation violation.)
I too have learned a lot while being on probation. I have learned enough to reasonably (not totally) manage my fantasies and desires, and have found ways to keep my mind off of things when I dwell on any thoughts or feelings. I am totally open in my therapy class, and am 100% supporting to all members in my group.
The only thing I think that can help me at this point is some sort of "miracle drug" to help keep my urges at a more managable level. I tried Prozac, but that made me stop caring about anything and just making me feel good.
NoLieGuy,
On 14 March you wrote to Antipolypass, among other things:QuoteYour existance here on this website alone puts you in conflict with your program as you are seeking a way other than dealing with the truth about yourself, and trying to beat the test. It proves my former point about George being no less than civilly responsible for guys like you who studies show go out and offend again and again.
How is the foregoing your "former" point? Did you post here earlier under a different name? Could you tell me more about your legal theory that finds me "no less than civilly responsible" for something? Under this same theory, what "civil responsibility" would attach to polygraph operators for falsely representing polygraphy to be a valid and reliable methodology for the detection of deception when they know full well that it is fundamentally dependent on trickery and is easily defeated through the use of countermeasures that they cannot reliably detect?
QuoteYou are exactly the convicted piece of shit the pro-poly people say geeorge is out to help, and God is keeping a tab on that meter.
When did God tell you this?On 15 March, you wrote, among other things:QuoteThe fact that you are here is no less than perponderance [sic] of evidence that you want to "Beat" the system.
As Anonymous pointed out, the foregoing assertion is utter nonsense.
QuoteI also can make a prima facie case that George knew exactly what he was doing when he came to a point in time that posting some of this information on this website might help someone like you to "try" and beat the system.
When Gino Scalabrini and I created AntiPolygraph.org and published
The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (http://antipolygraph.org/pubs.shtml), we knew full well that some of the information made available here could be helpful to people trying to "beat the system." This was not, however, our motivation for creating this website.
QuoteBeating the system is what guys like you and George are all about ! He could not obtain the job he sought and blames the Polygraph Operator for being the sole gate keeper from his goal, and you as evidenced in your last posting, blame everyone (Prosecutor, Judges, The System, Victim) for your problem which was an act of your free will. The rewards of George's efforts is to stand shoulder to shoulder with guys like you, so too bad he isn't young enought for you to be attracted to him, and for him to get what's comming to him for assisting guys like you.
With regard to polygraph policy, AntiPolygraph.org is not about "beating" the system, but rather about
improving it through the abolishment of the pseudoscientific fraud that is CQT polygraphy.
TheNoLieGuy
Everyone here knows my views on sex offenders so there is no reason to repeat.
The point of this post is to say: It didn't take long for your newly acquired power to show. With your punitive attitude, there is no way a parolee could stay in compliance even being completely trythful. This guy only looked at pictures, according to his posts, but you have condemed him, falsely, as being a preditor.
I challenge you and all LE to help us, the general public, shut down and prosecute the owners of these websites that bombard us with this unwanted slime. Adult porn sites are breaking the law too. Cut off the head and the body will die. We turn these sites in to LE only to be told "there's nothing we can do. BS. The fact that they are hacking into our email is breaking the law. So, apply your anger where it will do the most good because you have no business being a polygrapher.
Polyantipass,
What a sick piece of work.....You should do the right thing...Learn how to pass the Poly, not hard, then head for the woods...Take the day to see all that God has to offer, realize how sick your mind is, how your sick mind has no place on earth...Then kill yourself..Lay some child porn by you so we know it is you from the news reports.
I am sure everyone will all give you a thumbs up!! I have read that swallowing a little Drano is painless..It might bring your fantancies to life..One final time...Good Luck...
PeterFonda,
You need to get over to Iraq with all your buddies. From your talk you sound just like an Islamic Fundamentalist. Like you, they don't believe in modern psychology or therapy. They have the minds of people living in the 12th century.
I know your not using the name of the Christian God...because that God, Jesus, let the biggest whore in Isreal wash his feet. He teaches human redemption, not suicide.
Polyantipass,
Don't listen to the words of PeterFonda. If there is a Satan, he is speaking through this man. Suicide is never the answer. You made a mistake that thousands of men make, and that a few only ever get caught for. You looked at something that was forbidden, because the lure of the sin was so great. If you can get in contact with a Cognitive Behavorial therapist in your area I would suggest you do so. They teach valid techniques that help you reprogram your thinking about such deviant behaviors and thus help make you a productive member of society.
Oh heavens!
I think this is getting a bit out of line, and way off course!
Seeker
Aside from what else has been said Drano is very painful way to die, after you swallow the drano it reacts with the acids in your stomach and then you vomit the drano and stomach acids which is so potent that it literally eats away your throat, mouth, lips and any other skin that this mixture comes in contact with.
When you investigate suicides with drano the victims run all through their homes looking for an alternate way to finish themselves off.
Drano is by far the worst of all ways to try and kill yourself.
Billybob
Its been said may times before Suicide not the answer.
OkieBoy,
You're right, I was out of line...Let's get Polyantipass treatment!! When he is done let's get him a job as a playground monitor....Hopefully at your child's school!
Any sicko that gets off looking at children...Does not belong to be here on earth..Sorry if that hits home...
If you have children you most likely have a no contact in place? (You are one of them, right?) As for your comment that thousands of men have done the same thing and have just not been caught, I would have to disagree. Your compassion is understandable in your case, a brother in cause. One final comment to you, do you not think God believes in right and wrong? Do you really believe that God would punish a man with hell if in fact he was protecting innocent children from himself? I think not.
Billybob seems all too familiar with the Drano death. Makes me wonder? I should of said Drano MIXED with 7-Up..Settles the stomach.. :)
PeterFonda,
I like the way you put words in my mouth to try and make your weak point. You should be a talkshow radio host, as your tactics remind me of Rush Limbaugh and the other rightwing wackos.
I never said that sex offenders should work at playgrounds. I did however suggest that Polyantipass get some serious therapy.
Your own words reveal your ignorance. You assume that I can have no contact with children and this is not the case. I have no children of my own, but I have four younger siblings and there are no rules against contact with minors on my probation terms.
And again you talk about God, but this is no Christian God that I know of.
The God I worship would never condone suicide.
Sounds like your on Satan's side, buddy. Did he promise you a cooler place in hell for trying to win souls for him?
You can bet that PeterFonda counts Jerry Falwell, Strom Thurmond and Rush Limbaugh amongst his favorite heroes and role models. Kind of reminds me of the men at the Baptist Church I went to as a kid. After a score of Amens and a few Praise Gods during the sermon they would stand around outside and debate the physical features of the various teenage girls in the choir. Such hypocrites.
Perhaps instead of blaming everyone under the sun for "their" failure to help you, you could simply be honest about your deviant interests and actually get some help. All the methods you have mentioned are some form of deception. I imagine you have spent a lot of your life justifying your deception and have never been simply honest. There is no softer easier way to get well. You simply have to start being honest.
You are supporting an industry that creates actual victims.
You mention that several methods work well for you but you don't use them all the time. Well that is the choice you have to make to get better or worse. Or you could join the legions of people who think they can whine their problem away.
Zerotolerance,
Treatment? Society has to wake up and realize that when a mind is to the point of compete decay there is no treatment possible. Can a serial killer be treated? If your answer would be no, then why can we justify treatment for a person that would sexually abuse a child? Death or life imprisonment are the only real choices we should be considering. I know that Okieboy and some of the other sexual preditors will disagree with my opinion, but this stated, why are they here? To beat the polygragh right! Is more treatment needed? I think not.
PF,
I agree that when a mind degenerates to a certain level, there is no therapy that can bring it back. Such a theory would apply to Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer quite easily, as well as some serial sex offenders and rapists. Of course, should we add in folks who are up around their 10th DUI offense to the list? Definitely a degenerate mind beyond all therapy, don't you think? BTW, do you drink?
But the fact is, not everybody is like that. Yes, it is reprehensible for someone to rape a child. That person has a serious problem. But quite a few sex offenders are so-classified because they improperly touched a child (either by accident or on purpose), or they viewed photos of naked children (like polyantipass), or they simply were viewed by a child while relieving themselves behind a tree. There are no reprehensible acts that would justify death or life in prison in these cases.
These offenders may or may not have a "degenerate mind". Only therapy will determine the true nature of their mind, and only therapy will show them that true nature.
I for one have never advocated that a sexual offender or predator on this board use what they learn here to beat the polygraph. On the contrary, I have always advocated that they get with the program and face the reality of what they have done. Most other "old-timers" on this board do the same. None of us want serial child molesters on the streets.
PeteFonda, please change your screen name to Arthur Neve. it fits you better.
Aldo
Antipolypass:
Help? From where does it come and from whom? The group? Therapist? Self?
Understand and realize the outcome of your continued deviant sexual behavior, viewing of child porn, will only be negative.
My advise would be learn to eliminate fantasy/fixation of children.
1) Learn to recognize the events that lead up to your fantasies.
2) Examine these thoughts as they unfold.
a) Where are these thoughts coming from?
b) Why am I turned on by this?
3) Never deny to yourself you have these thoughts.
Action is to be avoided at all costs. (Viewing of Child porn)
1) Do not stroke your fantasies with maturbation
2) Disassociate the orgasm from your fantasies with children.
Feel remorse and let your conscious take control.
Feel empathy. Empathize for those children your victims.
Hay and most importantly acknowledge that you are capable of hurting a child and it scares you.
BTW if all else fails think of bubba and his big 10 inch :-[
I agree with sie on most points. You should take his advice as the general concept of self control is there.
On the other hand, he fell back to the "good old canned" thinking process that scare tactics are the only tactics when he said you were capable of harming a child. Seems he placed you with Ted Bundy even though you probably never hurt anyone in your life. I am in the same boat as you are; I raised two lovely children and never gave corporal punishment to them. Nor have I ever engaged in physical abuse to anyone in my life. Can sie say the same? If so, can he admit that he never even thought of punishing someone or thing in his mind. If he says yes, I have a nice body of water he can walk on as I would love to make money selling tickets to his feats. A good therapist can and will get to the bottom of your issues. Question is; can you afford a good therapist? The governmental Gestapo canned psychologist with group therapy is nothing more than brainwashing, which come to think of it; it works!
Why don't they just use subliminal education over the television to get the ideal perfect citizen in everyone?
Ever wonder I chose Aldo Huxley as an ID?
Aldo
Huxley,
Just thought I would point out to you for future reference that Sie is a "she", not a "he" ;)
My apologies, not intentional I assure you.
Aldo
:-[
Huxley,
I'm sure Sie will overlook the transgression :)
What effect would having a high blood pressure of 210/117 have on testing?
HBP
HBP,
The question is not what effect your stated resting blood pressure (210/117) would have on a polygraph exam (likely none), but what effect a polygraph exam would have on your blood pressure and attendant health issues (perhaps considerable). Although no one should voluntarily be a polygraph examinee, you should absolutely refuse such (if offered) for health reasons.
I did not realize this post was so old. Polyantipass, are you still free? I certainly hope not. And George, you stated earlier: "When Gino Scalabrini and I created AntiPolygraph.org and published The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, we knew full well that some of the information made available here could be helpful to people trying to "beat the system." This was not, however, our motivation for creating this website." You admit that a few "bad" people will use your advice to beat the system while you slam polygraph, claiming that a few "truthfull" people are devastated by the evil polygraphers. How is that line of reasoning any different? I wonder what the success rate of your "machine" is? And as far as those who would bash NoLieGuy and others who feel that Antipolypass should be in prison: no one touched on his current subscriptions to porn websites. He alluded to his subscriptions, not past subscriptions, which tells me he is still doing it. The fact that he has access to the computer to post here leads me to believe he is still offending. Well, hell, he openly admits to reoffending. Problem is, everyone is trying to justify his crime by making light of it by saying he only looked at pictures. Bullshit, he sought out pictures day and night, looked at them, saved them, and engaged in self pleasure fantasizing about the innocent child over and over and over. And when that picture no longer got his jollies off, he found others. And the process perpetuated until he got caught. And the only way society can protect us from him is to polygraph him routinely to determine if he is reoffending. Chalk up one more in the "ony 13% reoffend" Thanks George
DIorNDI,
You write, among other things:
QuoteAnd the only way society can protect us from him is to polygraph him routinely to determine if he is reoffending.
Nonsense. Polygraph "testing" is a sham. It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it.
Look who is becoming a believer....not totally I admit...but surely there is a note of acknowledgement in your message that there indeed is a use for that infernal machine that you have denigrated for so long....congratulations George for your moderating view...I am proud of you!
I know you will ask "what is he talking about"....perhaps it is just the way you phased it...but when I read:
It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it.
I came to the conclusion thatyou were in efffect saying that the polygraph works....albeit not in every situation...but I think your verablized intention is clear....or was this a Freudian slip?
Have a gret holiday George...looking forward to meeting you soon at the Hague!
Torpedo,
The point I was making in my previous post in this message thread is that polygraph "testing" cannot reliably differentiate between truth and deception; polygraph "test" scores cannot "determine" whether a parolee or probationer is re-offending. Polygraphy does, however, have some utility for getting admissions/confessions from those who haven't yet discovered that it's a fraud.
Thank you for your holiday wishes, and I hope the same for you and yours. But I'm a little puzzled by your reference to our meeting soon at The Hague. If you expect to be in town and would like to meet, I would be amenable to that.