I can tell you of a few that don't employ Polygraphs.
None in the state of OR that I know of
Portland PD
New Orleans PD (CVSA - a joke)
None in MS that I know of
got any you know of?(especially the bigger departments)
Thanks!
FormerOfficer,
In California, Most of the State agencies with the exception of the CA Dept. of Justice(poly)and the CHP(CVSA) do not poly. This includes the following:
CA Dept of Corrections
CA Youth Authority
State Parole
Investigator jobs within State agencies, Alcoholic Beverage Control, Dept. of Insurance, and the Horse Racing Board.
Local Agencies
LA Airport Police, LA Harbor Police, and Los Angeles Unified School District Police do not poly. LA County Probation Dept. and the District Attorney Investigators also do not get the poly. LA County Coroners Investigators as well.
The only local PD that doesn't is Gardena PD (CVSA).
Fred F. ;)
Chula Vista PD in San Diego also doesn't use the poly.
I came from the east coast and most don't poly.
NYPD
NYSP (state police)
NJSP ( state police)
and most other local law enforcement
They don't have that kind of corruption and abuse scandals like the west coast inner cities and states. Its all about the scandals that make serious headlines and that's when top cops feel poly's the answer to new candidates. start poly'ing everybody then. Top Cop on down, and oh yeah half the force will fail too! I gurantee it.
QuotePdity:I came from the east coast and most don't poly.
NYPD
NYSP (state police)
NJSP ( state police)
Note that the New York State Police
do polygraph applicants. You are correct in stating that NYPD and NJSP do not. In fact, polygraphing police applicants is illegal by statute in New Jersey (and in MA and MN as well). Furthermore, it is simply not a common practice in NY outside of Long Island. A few small departments do force applicants to submit, but this is the exception, not the rule.
On the other hand, CT mandates by law that all police applicants be polygraphed.
The Philadelphia Police Department just announced they will no longer be using the polygraph in their hiring process.
:(
the professional staff members of the House and Senate Intelligence Select Committee.
not sure about the DSS (Defense Security Service). They flipped-flopped on training and re-training and such and so.
Hate the Process,
i was just on Chula Vistas web site and it states that you must pass a poly!
Some more:
US Marshalls
INS Inspectors
Customs Inspectors
No agencies in Oregon that I know of
Checked out Gardena; I recall seeing somewhere that they do poly. Any add'l info?
Yes Gardena PD does polygraph, a friend of mine just went through there hiring process. He told me his polygraph was short and easy.
Thanks Jet.
I'm looking at potential depts to apply to around the L.A. area. Any recommendations on who is hiring currently and good dept. re: variety of units, mid-sized, etc?
wow,all i know of is lapd, and laso. riverside co sherrifs maybe, CHP.
jet-journalist,
For the record, and to the best of my knowledge, LAPD, LASO, and the Riverside Co. Sheriff's Office all require a pre-employment polygraph, while the California Highway Patrol requires the even more asinine CVSA "test."
yes, i was refering to just large departments in general. Sorry did not specify that. As a matter of a fact, correct me if i am wrong i think theres only about 3 PD's that dont poly, but i have heard that two of them use the CSVA. But you can Download free CSVA software from a website, i have to call my buddy who has the web address and i will post it soon. Sorry George, my bad. Well i hope everyone has a great weekend and stays safe, i know i plan on having a great weekend. George, BEECH, and drew all have a GREAT day.
DOH sorry Mark i forgot about you, have a great one too.
Here is the website with the CSVA Freeware. I dont know how or if it works cause i havent downloaded it just found out about it this morning.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/VSA/truthvsa.html
Jet Journalist, Mr. G.
Just a point of information, The LASD is on a hiring freeze until July 2003. Ever since Leroy D. Baca purchased his airplane the SO has taken plenty of heat from the Board of Supervisors.
The BOS proposed $100 million in cutbacks, but eventually settled on $60 million. Many vital units fell victim to these cuts. Some major units were the Cargo Cats anti-theft detail, Asian crime task force, and the pre- employment unit.
I just wonder if they kept all their $70,000 dollar a year polygraphers around. Of course they could have been sent back to the jails or worse, patrolling the streets of LA County. Imagine that!!
Fred F. ;)
A correction to the non-polygraphing agencies
Los Angeles Unified School District Police are using the polygraph. Although their website is misleading about it, it does show up when you click the "apply for officer link" otherwise in all the other information it doesn't.
The recruiter did not confirm this information. HMMM???
http://www.laspd.com/
Fred F. ;)
Quote from: Fred F. on Sep 17, 2002, 06:28 PM
A correction to the non-polygraphing agencies
Los Angeles Unified School District Police are using the polygraph. Although their website is misleading about it, it does show up when you click the "apply for officer link" otherwise in all the other information it doesn't.
The recruiter did not confirm this information. HMMM???
http://www.laspd.com/
Thanks fred for all the information. I've now served in two differant agencies and am in the final process for the US Government LEO position. Polys are a waste of time, resources, and again cannot differentiate between truth, lie, and character............
Fred F. ;)
Quote from: FormerOfficer on Feb 24, 2003, 03:47 AM
Thanks fred for all the information. I've now served in two differant agencies and am in the final process for the US Government LEO position. Polys are a waste of time, resources, and again cannot differentiate between truth, lie, and character............
Former Officer,
Congratulations on your position. I am currently processing with two agencies in CA. I hope you have continued success in LE
Fred F. ;)
what happens if you took a poly for the fbi and failed, would that disqualify you from other federal employment and other law enforcement agencies.
Add Long Beach (CA) PD to the poly list. They have an interrogator on-staff, and they also use Intercept in LA and Santa Ana.
Does anyone know if the Cleveland, Detroit, or Toledo PD use polygraphs?
Cleveland does not poly for sure.Though with the massive layoffs they just had don't expect them to hire for a few years. Also I don't believe Toledo or Detroit poly but don't quote me.
There are no departments in Wisconsin that polly, but it is pretty tough getting into a dept. in Wisconsin. They are very peculiar about who they hire.
What about SanBernardino Police department?
Quote from: PAQ on Apr 25, 2004, 12:44 AMWhat about SanBernardino Police department?
PAQ,
Yes SBPD does require a poly. Here is the link.
http://www.ci.san-bernardino.ca.us/police/employment_opportunities.html#Police
Don't be discourged by having to take a poly. You have been to this site and hopefully downloaded
The Lie Behind The Lie Detector. You have the insight to "pass" the polygraph because you are aware of what it really is.
Don't let the poly prevent you from getting your LE job
Good Luck
Fred F. ;)
I'm new to the site and just scanning and learning, but do I understand pdity to be saying that there are no concerns with corruption, etc. with NYPD (I guess Serpico, Murphy, et al. lied) and the rest of the East coast. Pleeease!!!!! I guess there has never been a problem of that sort in Miami or New Orleans either. Let's get real here.
Does anyone know if there are any PDs or Sheriff's office that do not have a polygraph in Florida or Arizona?
Does anyone know if there are any PDs or Sheriffs that do not use the polygraph in Florida or Arizona?
Thanks
ALL AZ LEA use the poly as a requirmenent of the state licensing agency.
As far as Florida is concerned I really have no idea.
Per FDLE (Florida), all LEO agencies have to conduct a Poly or CVSA
Okay, I have a few questions.Does anyone know of any northern california agencies that dont poly? Also what about the state park rangers and local county rangers? I know CDC, Youth Authority Dont. poly, and CHP does a voice stress test. Can someone give me more info about the Stress test? Ive heard its a joke, then ive heard some say its better than a polygraph ???. I really dont want to take a polygraph :-/, but if I have to I will. Im going to work in law enforcement no matter what, but I really dont want to move to another state or be a corrections officer, you know what I mean? Thats why I might just go for the california highway patrol.....that is if I can pass there stress test. Can anyone shead some light on any of this? THANK YOU********
Add Long Beach (CA) PD to the poly list. They have an interrogator on-staff, and they also use Intercept in LA and Santa Ana
Remember good people, Intercept is headed by Edward Gelb....
Tulsa, Oklahoma PD does not require a poly or a CVSA.
Washington DC Metro Transit Police does not poly, but uses the the even more insane CVSA.
Does anyone know if the Boston PD polys?
:)
Atomic40
Here is the link to the Boston PD websitehttp://www.ci.boston.ma.us/police/default.asp
It appears that they do not poly. I don't know if you live there. If you don't you might as well forget about it. They have some pretty extreme requirements for employment in the dept. I have never seen that even here in good ol' CA.
Read it and be shocked
Fred F. ;)
This thread hasn't been updated in almost 7 years...anyone have information relevant to 2012? I would have to imagine since the economy imploded some LE agencies have dropped the poly due to budget cuts.
Joe, unfortunately just the reverse has happened, as the economy sinks deeper the number of applicants has multiplied and the poly has actually become much more prevalent and is used as an extra tool to eliminate candidates from the ever larger number. Even agencies that at one time were dead set against the poly now have signed on themselves. The truth is, it's a "test" that only works on the uninformed and naive. Currently, I'm on chapter 3 of TLBTLD, a great title that dispels the myths and falsehoods on which the poly depends to work. The whole point is to place one in front of a machine that one is led to believe can read minds, therefore you are most likely to be pressed into admitting to a number of disqualifying past transgressions. Do read the book and you will be more than prepared for it.
Bump!
Can we get an updated list going? I'm interested in pursuing a B.Sc. in forensics but have some minor (marijuana) use in my past, so I want to get a better feel for the current situation. Any help appreciated! :)