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Title: Strange format - please help
Post by: Yamess on Aug 03, 2020, 12:01 PM
Not sure what to do here.  Is this the "concealed control"?  CM on first and last?

1. Do you intend to tell the truth
2. Irrelevant
3.relevant
4. Irrelevant
5. Relevant
6 relevant
7 irrelevant
8 relevant
9 are you scared I'll ask you something else
10 have you answered truthfully (or alternatively - did you lie on this polygraph)
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: George W. Maschke on Aug 03, 2020, 12:43 PM
Could you tell me as many of the questions as you specifically remember, and how you have categorized them?
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: Yamess on Aug 03, 2020, 01:04 PM
Put it in chat
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: Paul T on Aug 12, 2020, 07:07 PM
I am in Canada and going through a polygraph program. 

The instructors say that you can always detect when someone is using countermeasures.  Is that true in all cases?
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: gfd on Aug 12, 2020, 08:31 PM
You are being misinformed.  Research shows identifying manipulation individuals with hands on training are difficult to detect. it is not impossible but difficult. those who just read about them are like fish in a barrel if the examiner follows the rules.  sounds like in you should be concerned about your training
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: George W. Maschke on Aug 12, 2020, 11:57 PM
QuoteI am in Canada and going through a polygraph program. 

The instructors say that you can always detect when someone is using countermeasures.  Is that true in all cases?


It's rarely true. If a polygraph subject employs, say, gross physical movements, a sensor pad might detect that. However, the polygraph community has no coherent methodology for detecting sophisticated polygraph countermeasures, that is, the kind that anyone who understands polygraph procedure would employ. You'll find such countermeasures explained in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (https://antipolygraph.org/pubs.shtml).

"gfd's" remark that "those who just read about [countermeasures] are like fish in a barrel if the examiner follows the rules" is unsupported by any published research.
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: Tim Z on Aug 13, 2020, 09:05 AM
The other place to get your answer to your CM question is from the Canadian Association of Police Polygraphists. 
CM methods are not covered into later in the class.

Go to www.canadapolygraph.ca.  Your instructors have to be members of this organization to even teach in Canada.
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: Russ V on Aug 13, 2020, 10:59 PM
Another source to consult is the American Polygraph Association in bordering US states. 

In some cases members in NY, VT and WA state members  consult and know his/her Canadian counterparts.

While the Canadians  have a good association, the APA in the USA is a plethora of good  information for all things polygraph.
Title: Re: Strange format - please help
Post by: gfd on Aug 14, 2020, 08:31 AM
the "technique" looks like Relevant Irrelevant to me.  R/I has a 50% false positive rate. outcome largely based on        impressions rather than data