I took a poly for a big secret government agency. After spending so much time on this site, I was scared that I would be given a "false positive". So I decided to employ the breathing technique countermeasure, by holding by breath ever so slightly during the certain questions. Of course, I was interrogated and at the end of the session the polygrapher told me that he knew that I was "holding my breath just like they tell me to do on the internet" - were his exact words. I was caught, busted, and my heart sank. Of course, to save face, I denied using countermeasures just so that my denial would be on record. But in my heart and mind I knew that I was caught. Those pneumatic tubes they put on your chest are very sensitive and I'm sure the polygrapher could see every breath-hold that I did. My dream job floated away after that polygraph. I would advise everyone, if you must use a CM, use mental CMs. Nothing can read your mind. But your breathing, tongue bitting, ass squeezing, and other physical activity can be read. With the sensors they put on you, including the seat sensor that can detect butt squeezing and farts, the mirrors, the high resolution cameras in the room, and the fact that your polygrapher is sitting right next to you to watch your movements, don't even try to change your physical activity if you can. I tried to use the CMs that I used on Antipolygraph.org and I was busted. I'm so ashamed and have to carry this for life.
:'(
hmmmmm. forgive me, but this story doesn't sound genuine to me. You spent so much time on this site and all you could do is hold your breath on certain questions?
"I tried to use the CMs that I used on Antipolygraph.org and I was busted. I'm so ashamed and have to carry this for life."
And this sounds to me like a polygraphist speaking. I could be wrong, but it sounds quite fishy to me.
I'm not a polygrapher. This is a true story. Trust me, the polygraph machine from Layfette Instruments that is used is VERY sensitive. Those tubes can tell when you don't breath even for a split second. And the fact that the polygraher is staring at you, don't even think about tongue biting or nothing stupid. There is a sensor on the seat, so don't try the anal contraction. I was busted. I thought they were just accusing me of CMs as standard procedure but in the end I was rejected and got a statement saying that was why. They knew. I denied it. But they knew.
QuoteTrust me, the polygraph machine from Layfette Instruments that is used is VERY sensitive.Those tubes can tell whenyou don't breath even for a split second.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt. If your story is indeed genuine, then you were simply unprepared. It has nothing to do with instrument sensitivity. NO POLYGRAPH EXAMINER can detect properly executed countermeasures.
busted,
Which agency polygraphed you? What questions were you asked? On which ones did you hold your breath?
stefano
If one defines a properly executed cm as one that is not detected, you are of course correct. Just like a properly excuted bluff in poker is defined as a bluff that is successful. This post points out the risk of detection for less than perfect execution.
Stefano,
You are using the same tactic you accuse polygraph examiners of using. If the CM did not work, you used them incorrectly. (If you passed while using CM the examiner was not properly trained.) Why not just admit CM's are detectable unless you have had EXTENSIVE training in their usage.
I'm pretty sure the polygraphers can detect CMs, afterall, they caught me! If you guys are expecting the polygraphers to come out with some big announcements saying "We can detect all polygraph CMs, and here is how we do it...", that is not going to happen. They probably assume that once they tell us how they can detect CMs, that us anti-poly people will just come up with a new CM method. I bet the polygraphers practice the CMs on each other and have been doing it for years. I'm sure it is easy to measure someone's breathing rate, tell if someone is biting their tongue, or anything else. Mental countermeasures are probably your best bet because nobody and no machine can tell what you are thinking....yet...
busted
Nearly all polygraphers well tell you they can detect mental manitulations during the test. They can't. They are only guessing and try get you to cop a plea. The problem is that their guessing is accepted without having to produce any factual, hard evidence. They are the only and final word.
Quote from: Bill_Brown on Jun 25, 2011, 10:21 AMStefano,
You are using the same tactic you accuse polygraph examiners of using. If the CM did not work, you used them incorrectly. (If you passed while using CM the examiner was not properly trained.) Why not just admit CM's are detectable unless you have had EXTENSIVE training in their usage.
How about because the countermeasures as presented in The Lie Behind The Lie Detector ARE NOT detectable? I've read the book twice and employed the countermeasures (successfully) numerous times.
Why not just admit polygraphs don't work, have no scientific basis, and shouldn't be used at all?
Quote from: Knightshaiid on Jun 25, 2011, 04:16 PMWhy not just admit polygraphs don't work, have no scientific basis, and shouldn't be used at all?
Because that would not be true. They work, have a scientific basis and should be used. I am not aware of your use of CM's and cannot dispute anything you may have encountered, nor can I attest to your claim.
I have been able to detect physical countermeasures on numerous occasions, they are evident when used. I cannot comment on all uses of mental CM's, I am sure they have been used successfully by some. Experiments I have conducted (non scientific) with mental CM's demonstrated to me that they are difficult to detect and impossible to prove.
Quote from: Bill_Brown on Jun 25, 2011, 04:42 PMBecause that would not be true. They work, have a scientific basis and should be used. I am not aware of your use of CM's and cannot dispute anything you may have encountered, nor can I attest to your claim.
Thus far, every study conducted which finds that polygraphs 'work' has been refuted by the National Academy for Science. Every NAS-backed study on polygraphs has found their accuracy to be little better than chance.
My "use of countermeasures" comes right from the free, readily available volume on this site called "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector." Home page, right side, one click.
What amazes and infuriates me most about "polygraph examiners" like yourself is your blatant REFUSAL to see the truth: you've obviously not read TLBTLD. If you had, if you pried your mind open far enough to see a PORTION of the truth, your confidence in this ridiculous 'test' would shatter.
It's the reason people like me can't walk into a polygraph "exam" and say, "I've done my homework. I know how these tests are supposed to work, and I'm not a good candidate." People like your are so convinced of their validity nothing will change your mind.
And that isn't science, it's cultism; it's religion, and it's championed ignorance. And it has absolutely NO PLACE in law enforcement.
QuoteThose tubes can tell when you don't breath even for a split second. And the fact that the polygraher is staring at you, don't even think about tongue biting or nothing stupid. There is a sensor on the seat, so don't try the anal contraction. I was busted. I thought they were just accusing me of CMs as standard procedure but in the end I was rejected and got a statement saying that was why. They knew. I denied it. But they knew.
TLBTLD does not recommend anal contraction as a countermeasure. In fact, given the non field-tested sensor on the seat it advises against it.
They did not 'know' you were using countermeasures; your polygrapher took a stab in the dark, rattled you and you folded.
On my first polygraph which I successfully passed using countermeasures the polygrapher used one of the counter-CM tests, so it was obvious he suspected something. I kept my cool, finished the test and 'passed.'
He didn't 'know' anything though I'm sure he had his suspicions.
Knightshaiid,
May I correct you. The NAS report was not a study it was a report based on selected studies. I have read and do read TLBTLD and have studied it. It is an excellent work by Mr. Maschke and I applaud him for his hard work. Physical CM's are easily detected and we are working on the Mental CM's, so far it is difficult to detect them and almost impossible to prove they were used.
Polygraph has advanced since the NAS report. Our current "accuracy" is 86% in screening applications and much higher on specific examinations. When we do a breakdown on a screening exam our "accuracy" increases.
Polygraph has been admitted as evidence in courts on many occasions over the last two years. The courts have accepted it as a "science" in many jurisdictions. I have personally testified in several cases.
There are persons that employ CM's and are undetected, I cannot give you an accurate % on how many, they don't tell me after an examination. Do they work? If you are skilled they do work some of the time. If they are detected you are DQ'd and not allowed another opportunity in my jurisdiction.
Mr. Maschke does ask you to make an informed decision before deciding to use CM's. He does not condone being dishonest, he does try to help individuals pass polygraph examinations when being honest.
QuoteI'm pretty sure the polygraphers can detect CMs, afterall, they caught me!
Busted, are you going to answer George's questions?
Quote from: Bill_Brown on Jun 25, 2011, 10:21 AMYou are using the same tactic you accuse polygraph examiners of using.If the CM did not work, you used them incorrectly.(If you passed while using CM the examiner was not properly trained.)Why not just admit CM's are detectable unless you have had EXTENSIVE training in their usage.
Step up to the countermeasure challenge; that should put the matter to rest.
Quote from: pailryder on Jun 25, 2011, 08:42 AMIf one defines a properly executed cm as one that is not detected, you are of course correct.Just like a properly excuted bluff in poker is defined as a bluff that is successful.This post points out the risk of detection for less than perfect execution.
I concur that if somebody is haphazard in the execution of a countermeasure, it could very well show up on the chart as an anomaly detectable by the examiner; practice and refinement are paramount.
Quote from: George_Maschke on Jun 25, 2011, 01:47 AMbusted,
Which agency polygraphed you? What questions were you asked? On which ones did you hold your breath?
I'd rather not say which agency polygraphed me. I was asked standard counterintelligence and lifestyle questions, the same ones that I've seen posted on this forum and other forums (contact with foreign agencies, plots to overthrow the U.S., crime, drugs, porn habits, etc.). I held my breath on the control questions just like TLBTLD tells me too.
Quote from: Bill_Brown on Jun 25, 2011, 04:42 PM
I cannot comment on all uses of mental CM's, I am sure they have been used successfully by some. Experiments I have conducted (non scientific) with mental CM's demonstrated to me that they are difficult to detect and impossible to prove.
I totally agree with this statement. Mental CMs are a polygraphee's best bet.
I'm sure the polygraphers have been read TLBTLD and this site and practice the CMs on each other so they know what it looks like when a person uses CMs.
I guess on the bright side I never admitted to using CMs to the polygraphers, I denied it all the way through. But I knew in my mind that they caught me and I was just digging myself in deeper.
Quote from: stefano on Jun 26, 2011, 07:33 PMStep up to the countermeasure challenge; that should put the matter to rest.
Quote from: stefano on Jun 26, 2011, 07:50 PMpractice and refinement are paramount.
You are correct. The challenge made would be someone that had PRACTICE AND REFINEMENT. That would be a no win contest. The average person reading this site does not have practice and refinement in use of CM's.
Quote from: busted on Jun 26, 2011, 10:01 PMQuote from: George_Maschke on Jun 25, 2011, 01:47 AMbusted,
Which agency polygraphed you? What questions were you asked? On which ones did you hold your breath?
I'd rather not say which agency polygraphed me. I was asked standard counterintelligence and lifestyle questions, the same ones that I've seen posted on this forum and other forums (contact with foreign agencies, plots to overthrow the U.S., crime, drugs, porn habits, etc.). I held my breath on the control questions just like TLBTLD tells me too.
Could you provide specific examples of the control questions you were asked?
I don't remember the EXACT questions, but they were similar to what was mentioned in TLBTLD. What does it matter? I agree with a previous post that without proper training and practice, using CMs is dangerous. This site has been up for years and is now one of the top Google hits for the word "polygraph", so I bet most people who have to take a polygraph come to this site for help, and the polygraphers visit too. For a person, like me, to think that they can just waltz into a polygraph and use the CMs from this site without any practice (and just sitting at home practicing on my own doesn't count, we need to actually practice on a polygraph machine) is foolish. The polygraphers know the game and they have seen people like me before trying to use CMs as described all over this site and the internet. I'm sure a few people can use then for the first time and succeed but for the rest of us you are playing with fire. CMs have been around for years, nothing new, and I got caught. Maybe mental CMs will work, but breating and tongue biting and other stuff from TLBTLD is a no go. Especially if you are nervous going into your poly and are doing this for the first time, you will be caught red handed as I was. Unless you are adequately prepared and have been trained on CMs, don't think that you are using "secret CMs" that the polygraph vets have never seen before.
I'm confusd by recent postings. Lucks like the National Center for Credibility Assessment website says federal polygraphers can't detect respiratory countermeasures: http://www.daca.mil/br_RES_ResearchProjs.htm.
Listing Honts, C. R., & Crawford, M. (2010, March). Polygraph countermeasures cannot be detected from respiratory signatures: Government policy puts the innocent at risk. Paper presented at the 2010 meeting of the American Psychology Law Society, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
Does this mean resent NCCA research shows respiratory countermeasures are undetectable by federal polygraphers?
Doesn't say anything about "PRACTICE and REFINEMENT" in countermeasures there either...
If not "detected", they can be "strongly suspected". Either way you will get the boot. You can argue that "strongly suspected" is nothing more than a wild ass guess, but that wild guess is always in favor of the polygrapher. So if the polygrapher even thinks you are using CMs, you are done. I think that I was "strongly suspected" because after my interrogation and being accused of altering my breathing, I was asked if I would be willing to come in for another polygraph, to which I said "yes". Well, I was never invited back in for another poly, I was later rejected instead. You can roll the dice if you want to...
QuoteI don't remember the EXACT questions, but they were similar to what was mentioned in TLBTLD.What does it matter?
Sorry, I go back to my original assertion that your posting is not genuine.
Quote from: 3C333D295A0 on Jun 28, 2011, 05:50 PMDoesn't say anything about "PRACTICE and REFINEMENT"in countermeasures there either
Those were my words. I had to admit to Bill Brown and Pailryder that countermeasures require practice and refinement. I do believe this to be true. Haphazard countermeasures should not be attempted.
Sorry, I go back to my original assertion that your posting is not genuine.
I believe I concur with Stefano, the posting sounds like an examiner or a person supporting polygraph. Possibly Busted will elaborate and dispel that cloud.
Interesting theory. But National Center for Credibility Assessment research says nothing about quality of CMs.
Instead, federal polygraphers research proves CMs from TLBTLD can't be detected.
Pple reading this forum can either believe that research, or they can believe that their CMs won't be good enough. "Oh, I'm so skeered my CMs won't be QUALITY. Will I suddenly forget how to breathe? Breathing is so hard. Maybe I'll just trust the NICE MAN who'se strapping chains bands around my chest now."
figs,
I have been unable to read the research, I would appreciate a link to the research. It would make for interesting reading and debate.
Regards
Quote from: 505F5145360 on Jun 28, 2011, 08:41 PMBut National Center for Credibility Assessment research says nothing about quality of CMs.
Figs, "haphazard" is not a measure of quality. It is a lacking of plan, order or direction.
Polygraph examiners or advocates who attempt to be impostors on this website are doing their cause a disservice. You are supposed to be professionals seeking the truth, yet you engage in this immature deception. Oh, how I love the irony.
Wow, I can't believe this. Really guys? So a person comes on here and says they were busted using CMs, and that person must be a pro-polygraph supporter in disguise. But if a person comes on here and says they beat the poly using CMs, then the pro-polygraph people swear that that person must have been tested by a less-than-qualified-examiner. Does this logic make sense to anyone???
I give you my word that I am not a polygraher or a pro-polygraph supporter. I am someone who tried to use CMs and failed. I'm sure I'm not the first person in the world that this happened too. You all are free to believe what you want to believe. But if you just dispell those of us who supported this site but failed to successfully employ CMs and got caught, then what good is it to even try to post our story here? I'm done. I've given my honest story and provided my first hand advice to those who will be taking a poly soon. If you are nervous and going to take a poly and will be trying these CM tricks for the first time and think you will pass with no problem, as if you are the first person to ever do this, you are fooling yourself. Try sitting in that chair for three hours while the same questions are repeated over and over and think you can mimic your same CM pattern the entire time, on the right questions, without fault...
Goodbye
QuoteWow, I can't believe this.Really guys?So a person comes on here and says they were busted using CMs, and that person must be a pro-polygraph supporter in disguise.
I don't believe you because I have studied all of your postings and they don't pass the reasonableness test.
Quote from: busted on Jun 28, 2011, 05:50 PMI don't remember the EXACT questions, but they were similar to what was mentioned in TLBTLD. What does it matter?...
I'm interested in the questions you believed to be "control" questions because you stated in your original post that you took a polygraph for "a big secret government agency." The implication is that it was either the CIA or the NSA. Both of these agencies use the relevant/irrelevant technique for pre-employment polygraph screening. This technique does not generally include any control questions. Hence my curiosity regarding the specific questions that you identified as control questions.
I have a BIG CORRECTION to make. I apologize for this in advance and sorry for any trouble I caused. In my original posts, I claimed that I was caught using CMs on "Control Questions" for pre-employment with a top secret government agency. I had kept a personal journal of my recruitment process where I documented everything that occured, then stashed it away for some time. I have just dug this journal up out of my clutter and discovered something. The questions that I was asked on my polygraph WERE NOT CONTROL QUESTIONS, they were IRRELEVANT QUESTIONS as classified in TLBTLD book on this site. I didn't realize this at first but after re-reading TLBTLD, I noticed this. Therefore, I had been using the breathing method of CMs on the Irrelevant Questions, not Control Questions which are non-existent in this polygraph session. I bet that by me using breathing CMs at the wrong time (TLBTLD says they should be used during control questions, not irrelevant questions), that I screwed myself. This is likely the reason for my failure of the polygraph. Well, I admit this mistake. I recommend everyone reading TLBTLD thorougly before you take a poly so you don't make the same mistake I did. Anyway, I'm sorry for the confusion. I used breating CMs at the wrong time and I screwed myself. I have more faith in this website now. I was busted due to only to my negligence.
QuoteI have just dug this journal up out of my clutter and discovered something.The questions that I was asked on my polygraph WERE NOT CONTROL QUESTIONS, they were IRRELEVANT QUESTIONS as classified in TLBTLD book on this site.
You read TLBTLD before taking the polygraph exam, but you failed to grasp the difference between an irrelevant question and a control question? And after George impeaches your original posting, you are overcome by this sudden epiphany? Your story becomes more enigmatic with each posting.
Busted,
My intention is not to be rude but to state the obvious. If you are a legitimate applicant, then you must be a moron and I would think that you should not be working for our government. Since you knew about TLBTLD and could not even properly prepare for such and important part of your application process it's my thought that you would be of no benefit to any of the government's agencies. Your application process is of the utmost importance and the first impression the recruitment office has of you. If I where going to be applying to "a big secret government agency" I would have studied TLBTLD until I my eye's bled. There is no way I would just apply with out preparation. Which leads me to believe one of two things, you must be a NEW polygrapher making a lame attempt to sidestep new viewers of this site, because any seasoned polygrapher who has been on this site knows damn well most of us would not fall for such a bad act. Or you are truly an idiot that should go back to school and learn a few things before attempting to apply for a J-O-B with our government. Good luck with what ever you're attempting to do.
FUCK ALL OF YOU! YOU WOULDN'T KNOW A TRUE STORY IF IT PISSED ON YOUR FACES! FUCK THIS SITE, IT IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS WITH SMART ASS COMMENTS. YOU ARE PROBABLY ALL POLYGRAPHERS AND GEORGE IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE ONE ON THIS SITE. YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKIN BITCHES AND CAN GO TO HELL! FUCKIN ASSHOLES!
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George, feel free to delete this entire thread since the assholes on here only fucked it up and swear that I must be lying or be an undercover polygrapher, which is their stupid response to everything. I hope you all die a slow painful death!
Busted, I'm sorry you are so perturbed about this. Perplexing as it may seem, some polygraphists, who are supposedly professionals in search of the truth, engage in silly childish deception themselves with their lame and often humorous attempts at impostorization. They seem to have total control over their charade in the polygraph suite, but not here. I have no ill will towards you, I simply don't believe you because your postings didn't add up. If I'm wrong, then I'm sorry. Good luck to you.
There goes the next director of the CIA.
I thought I recognized your style.
Quote from: busted on Jul 05, 2011, 08:33 PMI have a BIG CORRECTION to make. I apologize for this in advance and sorry for any trouble I caused. In my original posts, I claimed that I was caught using CMs on "Control Questions" for pre-employment with a top secret government agency. I had kept a personal journal of my recruitment process where I documented everything that occured, then stashed it away for some time. I have just dug this journal up out of my clutter and discovered something. The questions that I was asked on my polygraph WERE NOT CONTROL QUESTIONS, they were IRRELEVANT QUESTIONS as classified in TLBTLD book on this site. I didn't realize this at first but after re-reading TLBTLD, I noticed this. Therefore, I had been using the breathing method of CMs on the Irrelevant Questions, not Control Questions which are non-existent in this polygraph session. I bet that by me using breathing CMs at the wrong time (TLBTLD says they should be used during control questions, not irrelevant questions), that I screwed myself. This is likely the reason for my failure of the polygraph. Well, I admit this mistake. I recommend everyone reading TLBTLD thorougly before you take a poly so you don't make the same mistake I did. Anyway, I'm sorry for the confusion. I used breating CMs at the wrong time and I screwed myself. I have more faith in this website now. I was busted due to only to my negligence.
Thank you for posting this clarification. Your subsequent post, however, is entirely inappropriate and an egregious violation of AntiPolygraph.org's posting policy (https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=1791.msg13605#msg13605). Under normal circumstances, it would be removed to the Discarded Posts (https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?board=trashbin) forum. However, given the controversy that this message thread has engendered, it seems appropriate to leave it here so that readers may form their own judgments.
To All,
I do not assume that "busted" is a polygrapher trolling the forum. While such behavior is not without precedent (https://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-043.shtml), it does not seem to me that busted's postings in this thread are an example of such.
George,
Since "busted" is a guest registration, is it possible for the the messages posted under that screen name to be from different posters?
Can one person register as a guest, using the name "busted" at one time, and then days or weeks later another person register as a guest using the same screen name?
Just curious...
Mr. Maschke,
Your explanation for Busted is commendable. I would suggest someone trained in LSA review the posts and proffer an opinion also.
Also, can you please remove the picture, it is offensive to me personally. Thank you for your consideration.
Sergeant1107,
Yes, it is possible for anyone to post as a guest and choose the name "busted." However, I have compelling reason to believe that all posts by "busted" in this thread are from the same person.
Bill,
Please, call me George. I also find the picture offensive. However, given the controversy this thread has engendered, I'm hesitant to modify busted's post in any way. If you're using Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome, you can use the free Adblock Plus (http://adblockplus.org/) extension to block the image.
George,
Thank you for the information regarding blocking the image above. It is a violation of treatment rules for persons in SOV treatment to view an image like this. I did notice Chuckles posted and this would violate his treatment and may place he and others in his situation in jeopardy.
Quote from: stefano on Jun 28, 2011, 08:01 PMQuote from: 3C333D295A0 on Jun 28, 2011, 05:50 PMDoesn't say anything about "PRACTICE and REFINEMENT"in countermeasures there either
Those were my words. I had to admit to Bill Brown and Pailryder that countermeasures require practice and refinement. I do believe this to be true. Haphazard countermeasures should not be attempted.
How do we know consistant CMs are better then inconsistant ones?
Maybe closing you're eyes sometimes (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1388245711002331), decreasing GSR reactivity during a relevant question, is a good move. Highly visible, but luks naturel.
Varying CMs mite keep responses from being consistent. This might work *better* then consistant CMs on R/I tests (eg w/CIA and NSA).
In all fareness, stefano, I can see how you may meen something other than "inconsistent" by "haphazard."
Interesting post figs. I guess what I meant by haphazard is to be without a plan. Having a plan to be inconsistent would not be haphazard.
I used countermeasures incorrectly and got busted and failed my poly once ago. What had happened was...
- I used CMs during the Irrelevant Questions instead of the Control Questions by mistake for a 3-letter agency's polygraph. I didn't study TLBTLD thoroughly and screwed up. Hence, I failed the poly.
- After realizing what went wrong in my first poly, I was recruited later by a different 3-letter agency and I used CMs, in my own way in a sense, and I passed (and I even lied out of my ass during the poly session).
This proves the polygraph is one big joke. It is a psych game. Each time the polygrapher tries to falsely accuse you of stuff and get you to spill your guts because all polygraphers love confessions, so don't give them any! By the way, failing a government polygraph will stay on your record and be shared with every other government agency you try to get a security clearance from. A failed poly will flag your government file. This is a pain in the butt and will make it harder and take longer to get other clearances in the immediate future. However once enough time (at least a year) elapses and you have mitigated the issues (you can't really mitigate a failed poly unless you appeal and your appeal is granted, which may take at least a year), then you should be good to go with other clearances.
Bottom line, poly is a joke. I failed a poly and passed a poly even though I lied. It is a mind game, understand that. Voodoo science. A trick. Be close-minded and understand that your brain can't be read. Play along with the polygraher's "numbers game" which is becoming a far-too-common tactic that is getting old as well as the other standard polygraph games. Do your research and don't screw up like I did. This is a good site with lots of good material and will help anyone get through the polygraph.
Quote from: Quazipapi on Aug 31, 2011, 11:34 PMI even lied out of my ass during the poly session
And you have now proved you are a liar. That's really something to be proud of.
QuoteFUCK ALL OF YOU!YOU WOULDN'T KNOW A TRUE STORY IF IT PISSED ON YOUR FACES!FUCK THIS SITE, IT IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS WITH SMART ASS COMMENTS.YOU ARE PROBABLY ALL POLYGRAPHERS AND GEORGE IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE ONE ON THIS SITE. YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKIN BITCHES AND CAN GO TO HELL!FUCKIN ASSHOLES!
George, feel free to delete this entire thread since the assholes on here only fucked it up and swear that I must be lying or be an undercover polygrapher, which is their stupid response to everything.I hope you all die a slow painful death!
George, it has been a long time since I have visited your site. After hearing you on C2C I thought I'd stop by and "see what's been going on", and this clown show up.
Busted, you sir don't deserve a Government job and with your latest outburst you have shown your mental capacities, or lack of them. Busted your probably best suited at working at Wal-Mart. Last I checked they don't poly.
On the other hand if you are a poly examiner, which I suspect along with others that you are, you need to work on your demeanor. From a former polygraphee to a polygrapher, your line of work is right up there with used car salesman and politicians! True Scum! Don't agree? Your precious box never uncovered Aldridge Ames or Robert Hansen. There are more, however, these are the more contemporary ones that come to mind.
Did anyone else notice the stinky photo on page 3 of this thread? I'm surprised the site moderator left the pic up. Maybe that is his sort of thing. *giggles*
Quote from: wayne96 on Jul 06, 2011, 12:38 AMBusted,
My intention is not to be rude but to state the obvious. If you are a legitimate applicant, then you must be a moron and I would think that you should not be working for our government.
Curious? I was under the impression, that in order to work for the government. One obviously had to be a moron to begin with.... ;D
I am the original poster, and I wanted to update this thread a few years later. First I want to clarify exactly what happened. I took a CIA polygraph. I made the mistake of not clearly understanding "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector" (TLBTLD). I mistaked the irrelevant questions for control questions. This is a Grade "A" Fuck Up on my part. I deserve to die because of this.
During my CIA polygraph, at the Dulles Discovery site on Air & Space Museum Pkwy in Chantilly VA, I tried to hold my breath slightly during the irrelevant questions. I thought these were "Control" questions, which is where I fucked myself. By using countermeasures during the irrelevant questions, I set off an alarm to the polygraphers that I was using countermeasures. The CIA uses the Irrelevant/Relevant questions pattern, so what I should have done was just have used countermeasures to cause reactions during different sets of Relevant questions so that I would pass. This is clearly explained in TLBTLD, page 151.
The Irrelevant questions, as I recall, were similar to: Are we in Virginia? Are the lights on? Is your name XXX?
The relevant questions, as I recall, were something like: Did you intentionally lie during any part of your recruitment or application? Are you hiding any criminal activity? Were you honest about your drug use? Have you fucked an animal or are you a faggot? LOL, just kidding about that last one. I wasn't asked that, but who knows if others were, as it all depends on the applicant's character...
At the end the polygrapher said "I know you were holding your breath, just like they tell you to do on the internet". Then he asked "What do you know about the polygraph, where did you hear about it?". I mentioned this site, and he responded with a negative comment about "the antipolygraph" site. I don't remember the details though, I knew I was fucked at this point. Anyway, I did not confess to using countermeasures or anything, and I denied everything. This was my last chance to save grace. I was still rejected, but at least my file says that "no confessions were obtained" and simply that "the CIA felt strongly not to hire applicant". This proves that they were aiming for a confession, which is the whole goal of polygraphy. I have sense bounced back and now have a stable and successful career. This CIA incident is behind me. Everyone, make sure you understand TLBTLD before you take a polygraph. Don't do like me and pull and ultimate fail. Know the difference between a Control and an Irrelevant question, and know when to employ countermeasures.
Busted is out.