I applied and was granted a conditional job offer with the FBI as an intelligence analyst. I moved through the entire process without any problems. However, on April 15 2008, the FBI sent me notification that it was rescinding the offer. Here is the contents of the letter:
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This is to advise you of the status of your application for a position with the FBI.
Your application was reviewed along with those of other applicants. I regret to inform you that after careful consideration of the requirements for FBI employment, you were not selected. As a result, we must rescind our Conditional Job Offer. In making this decision, we conducted an objective assessment of the information available to us and the needs of our organization. The choice between the many qualified candidates is a difficult one, and I regret that we are unable to offer you a more favorable decision.
Our action to rescind your Conditional Job Offer does not consitute a security denial. On future security applications and forms you may affirm, insofar as it relates to this section, you were not denied a security clearance.
Thank you for your interest in the FBI. We wish you well in your future endeavors. [/size][/i]
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As you can see, the FBI provided no reason for rescinding my application. It alludes to the fact that I wasn't selected out of many applications, but this step was conducted at the beginning of the process. As a result of my selection, I only needed to pass the latter stages which include polygraph test, drug test, and background investigation.
What do you guys think?
I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think you should file a Privacy Act request for your FBI file to see what's in it.
I have a question about filing for my file. If the FBI is stating that I wasn't denied a security clearance, then what would be in that file to encourage them to rescind my offer. I am under the impression that the file only contains information that would act to make someone unsuitable for a security clearance. In my case, they are stating that I should not take their decision as an indication that I am unsuitabe for a security clearance. So, if I am not unsuitable and the latter stages of the process are not for selecting candidates but for determing their suitablility for security clearance, then why did they rescind my offer because I wasn't selected. Am I off base on the illogical nature of their response? If you have already been selected, then how can they come and say that you aren't selected anymore?
However, I don't have much choice. I wil go ahead and file. In addition, I have sent letters to my congressional representatives explaining what I told you. I don't have much hope, but one of my representatives is the majority whip in the House and he might take pity on me and use his influence to help a constituent out. As I said, all my options are shots in the dark. What do you think about me calling my contact at the FBI?
I will try to keep you up to date.
I agree that it seems illogical for the FBI to extend a conditional offer of employment and then to rescind it when the applicant has presumably passed all succeeding stages of the hiring process. Perhaps the information in your FBI file will shed light on the reason for your non-selection.
I think calling your applicant coordinator to inquire about this is a good idea. He or she might be able to tell you why the FBI withdrew the offer of employment.
Just to add some more heat to this fire. I just pulled this from the FBI website:
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1. Interview/Testing
The most competitive candidates will be contacted to schedule interviews and testing. Candidates will receive details regarding the format, location and time of the interview upon notification. In order to expedite the background investigation process, candidates may be required to bring completed forms including the SF-86 to the interview. Please note that candidates may also be required to provide a writing sample, and that candidates who indicated specialized experience (e.g., foreign language proficiency) may be scheduled for additional testing in their field of expertise.
2. Conditional Job Offer
Candidates who pass the interview/testing phase are eligible to receive a conditional job offer for employment as an Intelligence Analyst. The conditional job offer will include the position title, GS pay grade, salary and optional recruitment incentive information. Conditional job offers are contingent upon a favorable adjudication in the background process, budgetary requirements and meeting the critical skills needed by the FBI.
3. FBI Background Investigation
Candidates who receive a conditional job offer will need to get a Top Secret-SCI security clearance from the FBI in order to start working as an Intelligence Analyst. The background investigation includes a polygraph examination, credit and arrest checks, interviews with associates, references, past employers and neighbors, and verification of educational achievements. The average background investigation takes approximately 120 days, but may take longer depending on where an applicant has lived, worked, or traveled. See Details about the FBI Background Investigation for more information.
4. Placement
Upon successful completion of the background investigation, candidates officially join the FBI as Intelligence Analysts. After reporting to Quantico for training, new Intelligence Analysts will be placed either at Headquarters or in a specific Field Office based on the posting applied for and/or the needs of the FBI.
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Pay close attention to the transition from step 3 to step 4. If you pass step three, then you should move on to placement. Instead, the FBI moved me to the door.
Just move on... They have decided they don't want you. Don't spend another minute of your life working on the issue, it will be a minute of your life wasted, which you will NEVER get back.
I had a similar experience with the CIA. After a thoughtfuol review of all the info that is part of the background check I decided it was amy credit score that made me a risk.
I've chosen to reapply, and have also applied for IA with other agencies...
Nancy
If your credit score was the problem, wouldn't you be sent a letter stating that you were rejected on the basis of a failed background check? It is my impression, once that happens, the CIA would be required to send you the reason--the credit score score.
So, did you utilize your congressional representatives or did you just go the FOIA way? If you did the latter, how long did it take you to get the information?
I had to search myself to think about what might have DQ'd me. My rejection letter was I guess you could say hopeful. It suggested that after I gave thought to this DQ and if I think I cleared it up, I was encouraged to reapply after a year.
There were 3 things that I think DQ'd me. My credit scores were low (680s-694). A business tax was only partially paid to the city, and I was not really tight and exacting on the pre security check info form. (This was my first entry into the world of security clearance, and I just didn't take it seriously in a rigorous way.
I have cleaned all this up. Credit scores are now in the 735s, taxes paid and I completed the security form for the FBI in a way so tight it could crush charcoal into diamond. And just last Saturday I reapplied.
My experience has taught me that there are reasons for these experiences. NOW... if they reject me, I will know it is not because I'm not clean, it is because I don't fit into their slots, and I'll keep looking elsewhere. I don't believe in forcing these experiences. I thought about FOIA, but decided that it would be seen as antagonistic and if I did want to reapply, that could not serve me well. >:(
I also decided they could redact in such a way that it wasn't going to be particularly helpful. They believe in their procedures for a reason and they're not going to change them because I think they need me and I want to do this kind of work.
{This may be nearing off-topic territory. Feel free to message me privately.}
My $.02
Nancy Drew ;)
I got the same letter after falsely failing a polygraph. I assume that the "not constitute a security denial" is a load of crap, because what other reason could there be? My only question is, how do I appeal the polygraph now? I assume that if I write a letter explaining that I did not lie, they will write back saying that I wasn't denied a clearance because of my (false) failure, so it's no problem, then when I apply for any other job requiring a clearance, I will be denied because of the failed poly. Help!!!
You really can't appeal a polygraph. You might be able to request a "retest", but they will just fail you again. If they were to pass you on a retest, that would be admitting they made a mistake on the first one. They will never admit they made a mistake.
And, yes, a failed polygraph will follow you where ever you apply. You might even get a call from your friendly neighborhood FBI special agent wanting to talk to you. I did when I failed my polygraph.
TC
(Though some here would know better than I) There is a difference between a failed polygraph and an inconclusive polygraph. At one session several people were sent home from teh session... ostensibly they "failed" or were found to be trying to confound the polygraph.
I had an inconclusive poly and was asked to return for another, also found inconclusive. Background check was started but I quickly rec'd a letter like yours, a retraction letter. I decided it was for financial reasons, and the manpower was never really engaged in the background check. All was determined by the computer checks run. (bank, taxes, ect...)
1 year later, different job, different agency, different examiner I had a poly found to be inconclusive. The background check was initiated anyway, progressed through manpower on the ground (interviewing friends, employers, roommates, etc....) My FICO has tremendously improved since last year. I assume the computer check came back clear and the interviews began.
It's a crazy process. :D
You'll need to search your soul to think about what might have caused the retraction of the offer. These processes are intact (polygraph notwithstanding) for a reason.
Nancy Drew
Readers,
The FBI has been very sensitive to the perception and image of the applicant process.
The tides are turning as the unusually high amount of applicants for FBI positions has subsided after 9/11.
They point out that your security clearance is not negatively affected by a letter which recinds your conditional offer of acceptance in avoidance of running astray of legal hiring guidelines and your right to face your "accuser" which denied you the opportunity of the position.
At this point in life, all I can say is thank your lucky stars you are not invited into an organization that does not want you.
It is a "good-ole-boys club" and membership is restricted to the elite. Only "the best of the best" to quote the Men In Black. A very sad commentary that the absurd in movie town in more and more resembling the reality of the Department of Justice.
Move on and forget FBI employment. It might be the best thing that you do for the country and yourself.
Regards.
F.C.
I would agree. I have met a lot of current and former F.B.I. agents, and none were happy, (except the former ones).
I just received the exact letter yesterday and am not sure how to handle it. Any advice on this? Please help.
Dear Goofbal,
Write a certified return receipt letter to the address of the "not acceptable parameters" letter. At this point, you should request another examination if you wish to pursue the job. Even if you are not interested, you should make a point to contest the results and write your congressman about it. These actions will most likely have no effect on getting a job with the FBI but will help in getting a clearance in another agency when they question your FBI application.
The FBI finds it fully acceptable to have a failure ratio of two applicants out of three with the polygraph pre-screening process. They have offered almost 1,200 conditional letters of employment to college grads or grads to be IAs with the end results of trying to get about 400 or so on-board.
Yes, the craziness and complete faith in the FBI for polygraph pre-screening continues. Two security clearances are destroyed for every one applicant that passes. Those who are cited as "not being within acceptable parameters" are kept from jobs that require "polyraph" related security clearances. American justice at its best.
Regards.
Hello Fair Chance,
I will defintely be writing an appeal letter. However my question becomes the following: If I was processed out of two different states for the FBI, which Congressman would I write? Would it be the congressman in the state where I failed the polygraph or in the state I resided in the longest?
Where you vote.
I got the same letter and called my applicant coordinator about the letter. She told me I have been deemed deceptive on my second polygraph. She also explained the new wording on their ding letter was meant to reduce the number of people requesting poly retests.
has anyone gotten the final word on this? i have the same letter and I am waiting for my privacy act to come back, but I am very confused about the wording.
Sounds to me like you didn't get the job because they found someone else that was either more qualified or that made a better impression on them or both.
Think about it; you're competing against many highly qualified applicants for a position that's in very high demand.
The FBI isn't the only gig in town you know. Besides, they didn't say that you couldn't ever apply again or that you were disqualified.
I know it must be disappointing but, don't you have a backup plan? What good fed doesn't have a good backup plan?
Think your way through it and try something else or try again later.
Good luck.
QuoteSounds to me like you didn't get the job because they found someone else that was either more qualified or that made a better impression on them or both.
Sounds to me like you didn't read the rejection letter he posted.
It specifically stated that passing the polygraph was a requirement and that he did not pass it, therefore did not get the job.
He could have been the most qualified candidate of the past decade and be the reincarnation of J. Edgar (girdle and all) , but unless his polygraph was "within acceptable parameters", he would not have been hired.
TC
I too have received the dreaded thin letter Suitability denial based on personal conduct. I'm still awaiting my FOIA request so I can get all the details. I actually passed the poly and my BI started, but I don't think it finished. There is something the FBI found out during the BI that drew attention. My position was the Special Agent (SA) position. Is there a way I can appeal a suitability denail? Am I allowed to reapply to be an SA in the future? Stupid FBI.
Does anyone know if my FBI rejection, or the fact that I filed an FOIA request and plan to appeal, will affect me getting a job at other government agencies?
Quote from: devastated2today on Apr 15, 2008, 11:44 PMI applied and was granted a conditional job offer with the FBI as an intelligence analyst. I moved through the entire process without any problems. However, on April 15 2008, the FBI sent me notification that it was rescinding the offer. Here is the contents of the letter:
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This is to advise you of the status of your application for a position with the FBI.
Your application was reviewed along with those of other applicants. I regret to inform you that after careful consideration of the requirements for FBI employment, you were not selected. As a result, we must rescind our Conditional Job Offer. In making this decision, we conducted an objective assessment of the information available to us and the needs of our organization. The choice between the many qualified candidates is a difficult one, and I regret that we are unable to offer you a more favorable decision.
Our action to rescind your Conditional Job Offer does not consitute a security denial. On future security applications and forms you may affirm, insofar as it relates to this section, you were not denied a security clearance.
Thank you for your interest in the FBI. We wish you well in your future endeavors. [/size][/i]
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As you can see, the FBI provided no reason for rescinding my application. It alludes to the fact that I wasn't selected out of many applications, but this step was conducted at the beginning of the process. As a result of my selection, I only needed to pass the latter stages which include polygraph test, drug test, and background investigation.
What do you guys think?
It suspiciously resembles one of the boilerplate rejection letters that the CIA uses! :(
QuoteI too have received the dreaded thin letter Suitability denial based on personal conduct. I'm still awaiting my FOIA request so I can get all the details. I actually passed the poly and my BI started, but I don't think it finished. There is something the FBI found out during the BI that drew attention. My position was the Special Agent (SA) position. Is there a way I can appeal a suitability denail? Am I allowed to reapply to be an SA in the future? Stupid FBI.
Not unlike my experience with the stupid CIA! >:(
QuoteSounds to me like you didn't get the job because they found someone else that was either more qualified or that made a better impression on them or both.
Think about it; you're competing against many highly qualified applicants for a position that's in very high demand.
The FBI isn't the only gig in town you know. Besides, they didn't say that you couldn't ever apply again or that you were disqualified.
I know it must be disappointing but, don't you have a backup plan? What good fed doesn't have a good backup plan?
Think your way through it and try something else or try again later.
Good luck.
That's one lesson I finally learned, the hard way! >:(
God your in such an idiot
I'm agent251 BIA
QuoteI'm agent251 BIA
Bureau of Indian Affairs? :)
I am the same NachoCheese that posted above years ago. I have learned that if you fail the FBI polygraph or the Background Investigation (BI), you are banned for life! I applied to be a Special Agent several years ago, made it through the whole process, Phase 1 and 2, poly, fitness, etc., but got dinged in the final adjudication stage. Fast forward to present day, I am still eligible according to the FBI prescreening requirements, even still under the 37 age limit, but I reapplied and within days I got the email below:
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From: FBIJobsDoNotReply@ic.fbi.gov
Sent: Xday, MonthX, XX, 2017 XX:XX
To: Me
Subject: Special Agent Application - Previosuly Failed Background Investigation
Dear NachoCheese
The FBI previously found you to be unsuitable for the Special Agent position. Our records indicate you were notified of this in writing on XX/XX/20XX. As such, you are ineligible to continue in the Special Agent application process.
Respectfully,
Human Resources Division
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I previously failed the poly for another agency and got blacklisted from them as well, which influenced my original FBI rejection, even though I passed the FBI poly. So that is it. No chance of me ever getting cleared nor getting into Intelligence ever. One failed poly and my career is over. I guess I will use my skills to get a job in Russia, since my country won't take me....
QuoteOne failed poly and my career is over.
What career? You never had one.
QuoteI guess I will use my skills to get a job in Russia, since my country won't take me....
Drop us a postcard from Moscow.
QuoteOne failed poly and my career is over. I guess I will use my skills to get a job in Russia, since my country won't take me....
Try info@svr.gov. ru or info@fsb.gov.ru ;D
QuoteI previously failed the poly for another agency and got blacklisted from them as well,
I think that I can guess what that other Agency was! :D
QuoteI have learned that if you fail the FBI polygraph or the Background Investigation (BI), you
That unfortunate situation isn't limited to the FBI either! Yes, you're absolutely correct; the BI can be as inaccurate as the polygraph, and equally deleterious to anyone aspiring to public service! :o
Hey quickfix, FUCK YOU FAGGOT! I wish the most painful death upon you. I had a great career until I was falsely accused during that agency's poly years ago, which sent my whole clearance situation in a downward spiral from which I never recovered. Fuck you and fuck the polygraph, it doesn't work!
You know what I am going to do, I will join George, Doug Williams, Chad Dixon, and others in teaching people how to pass the poly. Because it can be done, I passed my first FBI poly with ease, knowing damn well I shouldn't have, tbey only rejected me because another agency did when I failed their poly.
And teaching people how to beat the poly is not a crime. George has never been to jail for it and this site has been up for 17 years. The only reason Doug got in trouble is because he taught someone, who happened to be an undercover fed, how to beat it after that person admitted they wanted to conceal a crime. That is the key. George has always said he wants to help innocent people pass. I will have a disclaimer that no one who I teach is allowed to mention any crimes they did or will do or I can't help them. Don't ask don't tell. I will teach others to fool the polygraphers, like I did witb the FBI!
Your profession is going down quickfix, and I can't wait to see you cry like a bitch in despair.
Quoteunsuitable for the Special Agent
By a strange coincidence, the word "unsuitable" was also used to explain the results of my convoluted application process with the Bureau. This I learned from a PA/FOIA request I made.
Note that with respect to my FBI SA application, I was neither polygraphed (as of 1982, the Bureau wasn't automatically giving the polygraph to applicants), nor had a BI ever commenced. ::)
NachoCheese: Засунь их себе в задницу, ёбаный ублюдок!
У меня была девушка в Санкт-Петербурге, шепчу что-то похожее мне на ухо!
NachoCheese, easy on the jalapeños! Writing a book about countermeasures is one thing, but coaching? I would not even entertain the thought.
Quote from: quickfix on May 19, 2017, 01:31 PMЗасунь их себе в задницу, ёбаный ублюдок!
Hey Quickfix -
Loop Bars ! :D ;D
QuoteFUCK YOU FAGGOT
Are they giving clearances to homosexuals now? ;D :D