I have posted earlier (on another thread) concerning the CIA's policy on polygraphs. Again, I was wondering does the CIA (like the FBI) distribute polygraph results to other gov., local, and state agencies? Like the FBI, the CIA also has a high attrition rate when it comes to polygraph related failures during the application process. I imagine a lot of the people that have been rejected due to the polygraph at the CIA are affraid to come forward (possibly based on the paranoia that if the CIA found out...it would harm them during the appeals process). I was wondering if this paranoia is justified? Ive read the Lie Behind the Lie Detector and am impressed with your findings. Its weird how popular American culture has just accepted the polygraph based on 'blind faith'. The Lie Behind the Lie Detector is helping to educated the american public while also breaking down the walls of ignorance in our society. The whole polygraph thing reminds me of the tricks and illusions performed by skilled magicians. We believe in what we see but if we took the effort to find out how the trick was actually performed it immediately looses its credibility.
Quote from: Harlot on Jan 14, 2001, 03:19 PM
I imagine a lot of the people that have been rejected due to the polygraph at the CIA are affraid to come forward (possibly based on the paranoia that if the CIA found out...it would harm them during the appeals process).
See the recently-posted personal statement of "No Such Author," a self-described CIA applicant:
http://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-009.shtml
Dear Harlot (not the first time I've used that expression I assure you):
I cannot speculate on whether the results of the pre-employment process are shared with other organizations. I can tell you this: several persons I know who have gone through the process and failed were unable to secure any federal employment at all. You may draw your own conclusions.
As to the issue of fear of coming forward: intelligence organizations, unlike law enforcement organizations employ rigid security standards regarding information dissemination that extends even to applicants who never gain employment.
Whether their reluctance to come forward with their experiences is a rational fear, respect for the secrecy agreements or some other factor remains speculation.
In "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector" the authors speculate that a real irony of polygraph screening is that conscientious individuals are more likely to rate false positives and produce the kind of physiological responses that would have the polycrap needles going off the charts. You could argue that these are the very people who would be unwilling to violate the secrecy agreement imposed upon them, even when they have no affiliation with an intelligence organization beyond their failed application experience.
Let's be thankful to all the courageous people we are honored in meeting on these pages who are willing to come forward and fight for change. That includes you... and me of course 8^) (tongue firmly in cheek, in clear violation of examiner's instructions... 8^)).
;)
Quote from: Harlot on Jan 14, 2001, 03:19 PM
...I was wondering does the CIA (like the FBI) distribute polygraph results to other gov., local, and state agencies?
A 1997 CIA statement regarding the Privacy Act is available on-line at:
http://jya.com/cia-pa-files.htm
This statement opens with the following description of Privacy Act records maintained by the CIA:
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The following routine uses apply to, and are incorporated by reference
into, each system of records maintained by the CIA:
1. In the event that a system of records maintained by the Central
Intelligence Agency to carry out its functions indicates, or relates
to, a violation or potential violation of law, whether civil, criminal
or regulatory in nature, and whether arising by general statute or
particular program pursuant thereto, the relevant records in the
system of records may be disclosed, as a routine use, to the
appropriate agency whether federal, state, local or foreign, charged
with the responsibility of investigating or prosecuting such
violation, or charged with the responsibility to take appropriate
administrative action, or charged with enforcing or implementing the
statute, or rule, regulation or order issued pursuant thereto.
2. A record from this system of records may be disclosed, as a routine
use, to a federal, state or local agency maintaining civil, criminal
or other relevant enforcement information or other pertinent
information, such as current licenses, if necessary to obtain
information relevant to a Central Intelligence Agency decision
concerning the hiring or retention of an employee, the issuance of a
security clearance or special access, or the performance of the
Agency's acquisition functions.
3. A record from this system of records may be disclosed, as a routine
use, to a federal, state, or local agency, or other appropriate
entities, or individuals, in connection with the hiring or retention
of an employee, the issuance of a security clearance or special
access, the reporting or an investigation of an employee, the letting
of a contract, or the issuance of a license, grant or other benefit,
to the extent that the information is relevant and necessary to the
entity's decision on the matter.
4. A record from this system of records may be disclosed, as a routine
use, in the course of presenting evidence to a court, magistrate or
administrative tribunal, including disclosures to opposing parties or
their counsel or other representatives in the course of settlement
negotiations, and disclosures made pursuant to statutes or regulations
governing the conduct of such proceedings.
5. A record from this system of records may be disclosed to the Office
of Management and Budget in connection with the review of private
relief legislation, as set forth in OMB Circular No. A-19, at any
stage of the legislative coordination and clearance process as set
forth in the Circular.
6. A record from a system of records may be disclosed, as a routine
use, to NARA (GSA) in records management inspections conducted under
the authority of 44 U.S.C. 2904 and 2906.
7. A record from this system of records may be disclosed, as a routine
use, to a federal, state, or local agency, other appropriate entities
or individuals, or, through established liaison channels, to selected
foreign governments, provided such disclosure is compatible with the
purpose for which the purpose for which the record was collected and
is undertaken to enable the Central Intelligence Agency to carry out
its responsibilities under the National Security Act of 1947, as
amended, the CIA Act of 1949, as amended, Executive Order 12333 or any
successor order, national security directives applicable to the Agency
and classified implementing procedures approved by the Attorney
General promulgated pursuant to such Orders and directives, as well as
statutes, Executive orders and directives of general applicability.
This routine use is not intended to supplant the other routine uses
published by the Central Intelligence Agency.
Section 23 deals specifically with CIA polygraph records:
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CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
CIA--23
System name: Polygraph Files.
System location:
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, DC 20505.
Categories of individuals covered by the system: Applicants for
employment, employees, and certain individuals considered for
assignment to the Agency.
Categories of records in the system: Polygraph report, charts, and
notes.
Authority for maintenance of the system: National Security Act of 1947,
as amended--Pub. L. 80-253.
Central Intelligence Agency Act of 1949, as amended--Pub. L. 81-110.
Executive Order 10450.
Routine uses of records maintained in the system, including categories
of users and the purposes of such uses: Used by the Office of
Security to make determinations of security eligibility for
employment pursuant to Executive Order l0450.
Policies and practices for storing, retrieving, accessing, retaining,
and disposing of records in the system:
Storage: Paper and tape cassettes.
Retrievability: By name.
Safeguards: Files are maintained in a vault; access is permitted only
while in the custody of polygraph staff members.
Retention and disposal: Indefinite. Records are destroyed by burning
when they become inactive.
System manager(s) and address:
Director, Office of Security
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, DC 20505.
Notification procedure: Individuals seeking to learn if this system of
records contains information about them should direct their
inquiries to:
Information and Privacy Coordinator
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, DC 20505.
Identification requirements are specified in the CIA rules published
in the Federal Register (32 CFR 1901.13). Individuals must comply with
these rules.
Record access procedures: Request from individuals should be addressed
as indicated in the Notification section above.
Contesting record procedures: The Central Intelligence Agency's
regulations for access to individual records, for disputing the
contents thereof, and for appealing an initial determination by CIA
concerning access to or correction of records, are promulgated in
the CIA rules section of the Federal Register.
Record source categories: The source of all information obtained is from
the polygraph interviews.
Systems exempted from certain provisions of the act: Pursuant to
authority granted in section (j) of the Act (5 U.S.C. 552a(j)), the
Director of Central Intelligence has determined to exempt polygraph
records from all sections of the Act except 552a (b), (c)(1) and
(2), (e)(1), (e)(4) (A) through (F), (e)(5), (6), (7), (9), (10),
and (11), and (i). These records are exempted to prevent access,
accountability, and judicial review of records which intimately
reveal an Agency security method.
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This applies to another agency, I'm in a appeal process and I've been told that transcripts and videotapes of poly sessions are destroyed after 6 months. Is this true ? Also was told that it would take 6 months to get the videotape if requested under the FOIA act. I can't remember everything I said during the session and would like to beable to defend myself and not to be taken by surprise if this goes to a second appeal panel. This just doesn't seem right to me especially since they also said that the appeal would not be held up until I received my request.
jdrobi,
What agency in particular are you referring to? I don't know whether it is true that any U.S. agency destroys transcripts and videotapes of polygraph sessions after only six months. (Actually, I doubt that any agency routinely goes through the trouble of transcribing them.) I believe that the Department of Energy, for example, maintains videotapes of counterintelligence-scope polygraph interrogations for one year.
With regard to your FOIA request, note that the law allows an agency only 20 work days to make a determination regarding release of requested materials, with a possible 10-day extension. Nonetheless, many federal agencies routinely ignore this requirement with impunity. You should note in your request that the requested material is urgently needed and that delay will lead to your loss of due process. It could also help for you to seek the support of one of your senators in obtaining your polygraph records.
Yes the CIA states in the "Letter of Consent" that you signed before taking the test that if you admit to
a crime, they indeed can/will notifify local authorities for "significant" crimes. NOTE: they determine significance.
Do they share it with other Intel Agencies? Well, the fact is yes. If your clearances are tranfered, a copy
of your security records can/are sent to the requesting Agency. However, most Intel Agencies DONT TRUST the security screening of OTHER Agencies. So in general, they like to do their own investigations and poly's. In addition, such a request can take MONTHS to actually happen....if it happens at all.
Of course if you apply to any Intel Agency, they will ask if you have applied to any OTHER Intel Agency. If you have, they will request a copy of the application. Primarily to verify that you haven't "Changed your story."
Now.....what the hell are those "black" helicopters doing over my house???? ha ha ha