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Title: State police polygraph
Post by: smalguter on Aug 14, 2006, 04:46 PM
I read the online book provided by the website and i thought i was prepared as i would have ever been. But how they did it kind of through me off. They did the number stim test on me where i had to lie about a number that i wrote on a piece of paper.  So like i trained myself i bite my tounge held my breath for 3-5 seconds and then went back to maintain my breathnig cycle. So i thought that was going to be my CQ and he would compare this to my truthful questions. But really confused me is that i only did that once the entire time i was there. I went through 3 or 4 charts, but the procedure did not go as i thought it would. During the actual poly the polyman only asked me question like "is your name richard" simple questions like that mixed in with "have you lied about your drug use" or " have you been truthful on everything today".... Was this a relevent test? if so then what was the use for the CQ before it all started? well at the end of the poly he asked which question i may have had trouble on and i picked the one that was on my mind. He said that all my charts looked great and that i will be getting a call in two weeks.. Thankyou guys for helping me through the most stress event of my life thus far. Everything i learned in the online book helped a ton.. Thanx again
Title: Re: State police polygraph
Post by: smalguter on Aug 14, 2006, 05:02 PM
O and i might add that i had to sit one a butt sensor. Something that i thought i would never see in law enforcement...
Title: Re: State police polygraph
Post by: nonombre on Aug 14, 2006, 11:09 PM
Quote from: smalguter on Aug 14, 2006, 05:02 PMO and i might add that i had to sit one a butt sensor. Something that i thought i would never see in law enforcement...

An interesting comment.  Why did you believe you would never see this particular sensor in law enforcement?

Nonombre
Title: Re: State police polygraph
Post by: alterego1 on Aug 21, 2006, 10:25 PM
Lol, good thing they didn't have this:

http://www.lafayetteinstrument.com/polygraphcountermeasure.htm

Or else they could have even detected if you were using mental countermeasures as well..... :D
Title: Re: State police polygraph
Post by: cesium_133 on Aug 22, 2006, 01:45 AM
Smalguter-  :)

You got what sounds like an R/I test: Relevant/irrelevant, where they ask you nothing but important questions (like about drug use) and meaningless questions (is your name Richard?).  It sounds like they didn't ask you anything like "have you ever lied to get out of trouble?" or anything like that.

Something to remember for the future: you need to differentiate between irrelevant and control questions.  They don't use the irrelevants (are you sitting down?) for anything but a mind game.  Polyboys use control questions, if any, to try to compare your responses to the relevant questions.  Now, the concept is false, comparing questions like "Have you ever driven drunk?" to "Have you ever stolen $1,000?", but they run it anyhow a lot.

Your task is to amplify your biofeedback to the control questions.  They feel if those trouble you more, you pass.  If the opposite be the case, you fail, and if there's a tie, it's inconclusive- which often amounts to a fail to LEO's and especially the government.

You got slightly lucky that you didn't get made for amplifying on the irrelevant one(s).  Polyboys don't see irrelevants as controls; they just delineate relevants a little more easily for them.  If you start spiking on "are the lights on?", they're gonna wonder what in the devil is eating you (or that you're using CM's).  Reason: on R/I's, they know they have no comparison at all to make except chart-to-chart.  Thus, polymen look for sustained, consistent readings to the same question across all 3 or 4 or however many charts.  If "Have you ever stolen $1,000 or more?" spikes on every chart, you've got a problem.  It won't matter if your IQ's are spiking or not... like I said, they don't matter anyhow...

Good job on passing.  Be ready for anything next time, as there may well be one... :)