Hello everyone,
I just stumbled on this message board and have a quick question. If you are invited to the "informational session", I know there is a one on one interview there. What do they ask? How can one study for it? Is there also a written test at this point or is that only if you make it to the next stage in the DC area? If so, what is the best way to study for that. I guess my question is, what is the general order of things, and how best can one prepare themselves. Isn't there some kind of personality test too?
Thanks for any help
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Quote from: Anyone1 on Mar 29, 2006, 09:49 PMHello everyone,
I just stumbled on this message board and have a quick question. If you are invited to the "informational session", I know there is a one on one interview there. What do they ask? How can one study for it? Is there also a written test at this point or is that only if you make it to the next stage in the DC area? If so, what is the best way to study for that. I guess my question is, what is the general order of things, and how best can one prepare themselves. Isn't there some kind of personality test too?
Thanks for any help
If there is a one on one, its just to make sure you can walk and chew gum at the same time. It's also to see if you pass what's often referred to as the Dayton test (similarily, the Des Moines test, or any other small city). Essentially the test is determine where or not the person would want to be stuck with you at the airport in Dayton, Ohio during a snowstorm. If you're a complete introvert who can't hold a meaningful conversation, then you won't make it past that step.
Can anyone else elaborate on what occurs on the information session and one on one interview with the DI?
Is it more than just the "Dayton" test?
I also have a question. CIA was coming to my town to recruit for a day. I submitted my application online. Then I received a email saying that They are considering me for interview and I need to give them time for one hr interview one on one. With that same email, they emailed me a code to take an online IQ exam and analytical writting exam on Brainbench.com before I arrive at interview. I believe i did good on my interview, cuz person who was taking my interview compared herself with me at the end. she told me that it takes 3 weeks to write them a interview report. However, I am just wondering whats gona be the next steps in line if they have interest in me?
Mohmedraza,
You should hear from them within a month (but sometimes it takes longer) with a YAY or NAY. If you get a YAY, they will give you a Conditional Offer of Employment, meaning your job offer is not offical until you pass all the security stuff (background check, medical, psych, and the dreaded polygraph).
A few questions that can help determine your likely fate if you'll get hired by the CIA:
- What was your general timeline (when did you apply, when were you contacted, was it by email or phone, when did you complete the brainbench tets, when was your interview)?
- What location was your interview in? Were several other applicants there are just you?
- What position did you apply for?
- How long did the interview last, what kind of questions did they ask?
Depending on how quickly your process went and such, it can help determine how much they want you! I'm going through the process myself now also. Just a note, we will not find out the results of the brainbench tests, so no need to ask them about it.
As with so much of the process of CIA hiring, opacity cloaks everything. My experience subsequent to the IQ/Brainbench exercises was a trip to Chantilly for the various briefings followed by a 1 on 1 interview with an employee from an office in the analytic division. It's my experience that one can generally discern whether such interviews have gone well, and my impression that it had was confirmed when I received a call on my cell phone within 20 minutes of that interview to inform me that I was being made a condition offer of employment. I don't suggest that this is normal; on the contrary, I was advised that notification either way could take up to 3 weeks. That said, my experience with two sessions of polygraphy has damaged my previously favorable impression of the agency. I am still in process and awaiting word on my candidacy, and I don't have even the slightest sense of whether my offer will be withdrawn any day now or whether I might have good news at some point between January and April (the three to six month window during which it might be anticipated that the follow-on security investigation might be completed). In short, I wouldn't necessarily expect to hear anything in less than the 3 week window followin the interview, but I also wouldn't expect a conditional offer of employment necessarily to mature into a start date either. I will post more as I have additional information.
AlfredDreyfus ,
I'm currently going through the CIA process now as well and I'm curious. You mind telling me your general timeline w/ dates:
- when did you apply to the CIA?
- how long before you got a response?
- did you take the brainbench tests? get your scores?
- did you ever have a phone interview?
- when were you contacted for the info session invite? what method (phone, email, etc.)? Was the trip paid for?
- what is your school/career level and what position are you applying for?
- Why did you have to have 2 polygraph sessions?
Thanks!
FYI the Information and Privacy Coordinator at CIA is Delores M. Nelson. For correspondence (FOIA requests):
Delores M. Nelson
Information and Privacy Coordinator
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, D.C. 20505
Why is this info not already online? It seems very banal and basic, but it was hard-won so I had to share it.
Once you get a conditional offer, it's my understanding CIA employment processing can take about 9 mo for the BI, 3 more for the poly (so that's a year into the process and you're not done with security screening). That surely varies within a wide range.
I've heard of people having a problem with their polygraphs expiring before the rest of the process concludes, because they have to be so recent... And that's if you make it past the poly, which typically takes multiple sessions.
I've also heard from numerous independent sources that the CIA is renowned for sexually intrusive polygraphs.
Quote from: KSack0 on Nov 11, 2009, 10:41 AMWhy is this info not already online?It seems very banal and basic, but it was hard-won so I had to share it.
While the current Information and Privacy Coordinator's name does not seem to be posted on-line, the CIA website does in fact provide information on how to file a Privacy Act request:
http://www.foia.cia.gov/sample_privacy_request_letter.asp
Hello Anonymous,
Thanks for your inquiry. If I were to answer your questions I would likely reveal my identity, which I would prefer not to do, especially if, as I must assume is a possibility, you are a CIA polygrapher! Instead, let me offer the following: generally, if there is interest you will be contacted by email within 60 days of your initial application. You will then be required to take the IQ/Brainbench tests and complete other paperwork within 30 days. Following this, if the agency remains interested, you will be contacted within an additional 30 days and invited to the informational session/interview (the agency will pay for this if you are located more than 50 miles from Langley). If this is successful, you will be contacted within three weeks and given security paperwork for processing. Once this is complete, you will be scheduled for the medical/poly/psych testing (over a 3 day window) at a date approximately 3 months subsequent. You will have a telephonic interview with a security agent prior to the med/poly/psych days. Finally, to the extent that anyone is scheduled for a first, second (and sometimes a third and even a fourth) poly, it cannot be justified by necessity but rather by the frame of reference of the process itself: it is, at best, pseudoscience more reminiscent of the Salem Witch Trials of late 17th-century Massachusetts or Beria in Lefortovo Prison in 1930s Moscow than of what one would expect from the world's foremost intelligence agency. I am utterly confident that the polygrapher was lying when he accused me of having been deceptive on my answer to one question. If there were any doubts whatsoever, they could be resolved by the most straightforward investigation, with which I would cooperate completely.
Thank you AlfredDreyfus. Its ok if you don't want to give too much information, I don't blame you. But trust me, I don't work for the CIA. LOL.
Actually, I applied a few months ago and just completed my Brainbench tests. There are several of us over on the FederalSoup forums trying to get a feel for everyone's general timeline so we know what to expect. Check out these threads:
http://federalsoup.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9979&title=cia-hiring-timeline
http://federalsoup.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19468&title=cia-info-session-interview-dress
In my brainbench email, it said I'd be contacted 30-60days if they are interested. I've heard of people being contacted anywhere from 2 weeks to several months later. I've heard of people taking several polys, and people who pass on the first try. A friend of mines got hired by the CIA and his process took only 9 months, I read one posting online where it took a guy only 5.5 months, and some people it takes years.
I've heard of people attending "hiring events" (at their own expense) where they received a conditional offer (COE) on the spot, some people get a COE after a phone interview, and some are flown in (paid by the CIA) to Langly for their initial interview. So apparently the CIA has different methods of recruiting.
I just hope I get contacted soon for my interview. And if I'm lucky enough to procede on with the security process, I hope it goes smoothly. I've never taken a poly, and i must admit, after hearing so many stories, I'd be scared if and when I had to take one.
I think that a conditional offer of employment (COE) is really not an offer of employment at all. Rather, it is only at the point where one receives a COE that one actually becomes an applicant. Theretofore, although the agency has expressed some interest and asked for more information, the applicant is not really an applicant at all--just an interested outsider for whom the agency has some data. Once a COE is in hand, the application begins. Moreover, I would go so far as to say that for most applicants, the determination as to whether or not their applications will be accepted is the polygraph, because, if my understanding of the statistics is correct, 2/3 of those with COEs will not be hired, and of those who are not hired 3/4 will be rejected because of the polygraph (for those who may have better data, please correct my statistical errors here). In short, congratulations for securing a COE, but the reality is you should curb your enthusiasm a little, at least until you "pass" the polygraph, because until you pass the polygraph you are still, in fact, just an applicant.
A rational way to make hiring decisions? No. But this is how it works.
AlfredDreyfus, man where are you from?! You have a unique way of articulating yourself. You almost write/talk as if you aren't even from the U.S.! No offense, lol.
But I get what you are saying, though I would disagree somewhat. The CIA requires a very high security clearance level. So a COE only comes after you interview, just like in any job, and it means they like you and you are hired if you get through the security stuff. At my current job, I have a Secret clearance. I got hired before I had to turn in the forms and get my clearance. Now a secret clearance isn't hard to get, but I wonder what would have happened if my clearance was denied? I had an interim clearance for months when I started before my final clearance came through.
However the CIA doesn't do interim clearances I think, so you have to wait for your official Top Secret SCI Full Scope Poly clearance to come through before you can start.
Anyway, I will be pretty excited if I get a phone call for an interview/info-session and get a COE and receive that magical "thick packet" in the mail. All I can do now is wait and hope...
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On another note. check out these stats for FBI Special Agent Applicants in 2009:
http://www.clearancejobsblog.com/cleared-news/fbi-applicant-processing/
Surprised about the polygraph stats?
What I don't get is that according to these stats, 1,144 Special Agents applied in 2009, 838 were discontinued and 493 were hired. Hmmm... 838+493 = 1,331, not 1,144. And the average processing time is only 63 days, or 2 months? I thought the process took up to a year?! Am I misinterpreting these stats?
Quote from: r8otuoturotu on Nov 12, 2009, 08:37 AMAlfredDreyfus, man where are you from?! You have a unique way of articulating yourself. You almost write/talk as if you aren't even from the U.S.! No offense, lol.
But I get what you are saying, though I would disagree somewhat. The CIA requires a very high security clearance level. So a COE only comes after you interview, just like in any job, and it means they like you and you are hired if you get through the security stuff. At my current job, I have a Secret clearance. I got hired before I had to turn in the forms and get my clearance. Now a secret clearance isn't hard to get, but I wonder what would have happened if my clearance was denied? I had an interim clearance for months when I started before my final clearance came through.
However the CIA doesn't do interim clearances I think, so you have to wait for your official Top Secret SCI Full Scope Poly clearance to come through before you can start.
Anyway, I will be pretty excited if I get a phone call for an interview/info-session and get a COE and receive that magical "thick packet" in the mail. All I can do now is wait and hope...
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On another note. check out these stats for FBI Special Agent Applicants in 2009:
http://www.clearancejobsblog.com/cleared-news/fbi-applicant-processing/
Surprised about the polygraph stats?
What I don't get is that according to these stats, 1,144 Special Agents applied in 2009, 838 were discontinued and 493 were hired. Hmmm... 838+493 = 1,331, not 1,144. And the average processing time is only 63 days, or 2 months? I thought the process took up to a year?! Am I misinterpreting these stats?
Don't believe anything that the FBI publishes. It doesn't surprise me that there are discrepancies with those numbers. BTW, just to let you know -- I "passed" my polygraph but failed the background investigation for "failure to provide pertinent information" on the SF-86 regarding problems I experienced with two previous employers. I'm in the process of submitting a statement to the record about it because I made mistakes in completing the SF-86 but wasn't intentionally trying to hide anything...in retrospect, and from what I've learned about the process, I would have submitted a statement to the SF-86 outlining EVERYTHING that might look unfavorable on me from an investigator's standpoint. For some reason, I was under the wrong impression that I was only obligated to report disciplinary actions or reprimands. Well, these people want all information, including any grievances that were filed against former or current employers, performance counselings, and the like. A polygraph is just one tool they use. It is a deal-breaker if you fail it, but it can be a deal-breaker if you pass it --- and still have derogatory information uncovered in the background investigation that wasn't reported/disclosed. The whole hiring process in and of itself, is intrusive, and unforgiving...so you have to be aware of this before you apply. Knowing a little about this complicated process beforehand will make it easier for you.
Right, but the CIA in particular has been criticized in the past for not providing adequate FOIA contact information.
See: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB84/findingsadmin.htm
The open-source FOIA contact information has not changed in response to this criticism. Thus, I just changed it. :)
No, Anonymous00, I am indeed an American, albeit one for whom the rules of grammar and punctuation are command rather than suggestion. Perhaps that makes me an anachronism in the era of "like," "so I go," "ummmm," and other colloquia. Alas . . .
BBernie, I might have hoped that your BI investigators would have been decent enough to examine your answer to your SF-86 and then give you a chance to explain any "derogatory" information. I'm assuming you were dinged for your answer to the question, "Have you ever left a job under unfavorable circumstances?" which at best is amenable to many interpretations. Suppose you were the object of mistreatment by a boss, or a coworker, and for that reason you decided to leave of your own accord and without any adverse personnel action. Are these circumstances unfavorable to you? I would suggest they are not. Perhaps the conduct of your boss/coworker was improper and caused you grief, but when I think of unfavorable circumstances I think of someone who is obligated to resign in lieu of being fired for misconduct of some sort, or at least seriously poor and unremediated performance. Suppose you are subjected to unwelcome sexual advances, and rather than litigate or file a complaint you leave to take a better job. Is this unfavorable? Suppose you have some other quarrel with your employer, and you offer to resign in exchange for a large severance package (in effect, an out-of-court settlement against your former employer). Is this an unfavorable circumstance? Perhaps for your former employer, but not for you! In other words, it does not seem fair to adjudicate you as having been dishonest or lacking candor without giving you the opportunity to explain your answer to a vague and ambiguous question that is in regard to a potentially complex fact pattern. Would you agree, and would you provide more detail if possible?
Thank you sir.
Quote from: AlfredDreyfus on Nov 12, 2009, 04:51 PMNo, Anonymous00, I am indeed an American, albeit one for whom the rules of grammar and punctuation are command rather than suggestion. Perhaps that makes me an anachronism in the era of "like," "so I go," "ummmm," and other colloquia. Alas . . .
BBernie, I might have hoped that your BI investigators would have been decent enough to examine your answer to your SF-86 and then give you a chance to explain any "derogatory" information. I'm assuming you were dinged for your answer to the question, "Have you ever left a job under unfavorable circumstances?" which at best is amenable to many interpretations. Suppose you were the object of mistreatment by a boss, or a coworker, and for that reason you decided to leave of your own accord and without any adverse personnel action. Are these circumstances unfavorable to you? I would suggest they are not. Perhaps the conduct of your boss/coworker was improper and caused you grief, but when I think of unfavorable circumstances I think of someone who is obligated to resign in lieu of being fired for misconduct of some sort, or at least seriously poor and unremediated performance. Suppose you are subjected to unwelcome sexual advances, and rather than litigate or file a complaint you leave to take a better job. Is this unfavorable? Suppose you have some other quarrel with your employer, and you offer to resign in exchange for a large severance package (in effect, an out-of-court settlement against your former employer). Is this an unfavorable circumstance? Perhaps for your former employer, but not for you! In other words, it does not seem fair to adjudicate you as having been dishonest or lacking candor without giving you the opportunity to explain your answer to a vague and ambiguous question that is in regard to a potentially complex fact pattern. Would you agree, and would you provide more detail if possible?
Thank you sir.
Well, I am not blaming anyone but myself. I screwed it up and I accept full responsibility for it. I was not as familiar with the SF-86 as I should have been, and that is certainly no excuse for omissions/misrepresentations. Having said that, I did not intentionally fill the questionnaire out to mislead. I had a genuine desire to complete the form honestly, in good faith, but felt that stating every problem I ever had with an employer as being unnecessary if the problems never amounted to any form of disciplinary action and/or reprimands. Performance problems? sure. I didn't feel a need to mention it. Personality conflicts with the boss? sure. Again, I didn't feel a need to mention it. Grievances filed? Yes. So, looking back on it, in addition to the SF-86, I should have completed a statement outlining every problem I ever had with an employer (just to cover me), and I had several. That was the problem, I didn't provide any CYA for myself. It was a definite mistake on my part to try and skirt around these issues and I understand why it was determined to be dishonest and deceptive. My issue with all of this is what I was told by the polygrapher after I was polygraphed which was that if there were any discrepancies with my background, I would most likely be called back for another interview. Well, that never happened. And I never knew my application was in the tank for an entire 6 month period up until I received that dreaded letter in the thin envelope. And during all that time, I was providing answers to follow-up questions thinking that everything was on track, because I never had any indication whatsoever that a problem was encountered. From reading the copy of my investigation, there was a problem with me from the beginning so I am unsure why it dragged on as long as it did. I believe it was because the background investigation went through to completion for a full blown SSBI Single Scope BI -- which was quite extensive -- but from reading the report, the only people that appeared to have been interviewed were people who had no use for me at all, which is not what I have a problem with, however.
Thanks, BBernie. I guess we all live and learn. What is disappointing is that there is no due process to guide either the method by which the BI is conducted or an opportunity to respond directly to allegations of discrepancy or other "derogatory" information at a point where it might be possible to resolve them in favor of the applicant. Often, it is possible to explain, mitigate, and dispose of issues, provided one is given the chance to do so. Then, one can square the facts with one's answers, and at least rebut the presumption of dishonesty in the face of questions that are less than clear. None of us is without any "skeletons" in our closet, especially if skeletons are defined down to include a difficult encounter with a boss or a coworker, or a few drunken nights in a frat house, or a significant speeding ticket, or even someone from the past who wishes to do us ill when speaking with a background investigator. I would like to think that it would be possible to make reasonable adjudications based on the "whole person" concept and that investigators would always make the correct decisions, but experience, especially as regards polygraphy, has convinced me otherwise. Glad that you are pressing on in a positive direction.
AlfredDreyfus,
It's good to finally find someone who has gone to one of the CIA's information session/interviews in the past.
I was just requested to fly in for one, and I am wondering if you would be able to shed any light on what goes on.
-Is the one-on-one interview just like a regular job interview? Are there any tips you could provide as to how to prepare?
-Are you there among many other prospective employees? Or is the information session just for you?
-You got a call on your cell phone 20 min after the interview? Did your interviewer say that that is highly unusual?
Any help for this thing would be greatly appreciated, as mine is coming up!
thanks!
Hello ECBob,
The day starts with an informational briefing about the agency, its component parts, career possibilities and progression, etc. Then there is a brief about the security process--standard fare. There are 30 or so others there with you. Then the interview is 1 on 1 with someone from the office that has expressed an interest in your candidacy. There is a biographical discussion for about 10 minutes followed by about 20 or so minutes of standard questions--why do you want to work here? what skills and training do you have that would help you succeed here? and so forth. Then the remainder of the time, in my case, was spent asking questions. My belief is that as with any other interview you must absolutely have some well-prepared and even -rehearsed answers to the standard questions I cite above. Then I think it is very important to develop some good questions to pose to your interviewer that demonstrates and reinforces your answers to these questions, and shows that you're not just another butt in a seat. Although you may not know what office has expressed interest in you, you will know whether you're under consideration as an analyst for example, and in which career field, and based on your own knowledge of your education and training you can probably draw an accurate inference about who might be interested in you. I would place myself in the mental position of pretending that you were actually going to be starting the job the minute the interview ends--what information would you like to have to be able to do your job well, both now and in 1 year, in 5 years, etc? Show them that you are eager to learn and that you know enough to frame good questions, and that you have a long-term horizon in terms of your future with the agency. Help them see you as someone they'd like to mentor, eat lunch with, barbecue with on weekends, etc. Try to enjoy it--why not?
During my interview, I got the sense that things were going well, although my interviewer was somewhat reserved--I don't know if this was her typical personality. I was pleasantly surprised to get a call so quickly after my interview--I was expecting to wait as long as 3 weeks, and my hope is that the quick call is the result of such strong interest in my candidacy that the office is willing to exert its influence on the process to assist me should the polygrapher with whom I met decide he wants to sink my candidacy. After all, the office is an important stakeholder, polygraphy is fundamentally subjective, and perhaps a manifestation of strong interest might condition the result. Who knows?
My best advice is prepare good questions, be the best version of yourself (good colleague, good listener, etc.) that you can be, make a good judgment as to why they are interested in you and prepare yourself accordingly, and enjoy the process.
Thanks so much that's an excellent response!
Fortunately, I was actually told which office would be interviewing me (and I don't mean the Dir. of Intel/Op/Support/etc, I mean the exact office inside of one.
I guess I'll just do a substantial amount of research on the office and try to figure out why they have an interest in me.
I agree that having questions to ask the interviewer is vital...but I think most of those will probably be based off of things that I learn during the information session and possibly the interview.
Were you able to get a business card of the woman who interviewed you in order to send a follow-up email/thank you email? Something tells me they wouldn't want to disclose their identity.
Also, were you under the impression that you were in competition with the 30 or so others that were there with you? I'm thinking maybe they have all the people being interviewed for the same office come to the same event.
Again, I really appreciate your insight, as this process is very mysterious and I will feel a lot more comfortable going into this thing with some background information.
Good advice @ AlfredDreyfus. I hope I get a call soon. I always ask questions after an interview. Infact, I would recommend all job-seekers to go online and find a list of the most common asked interview questions, and research the company (by this I mean simply browing through their website when you're not looking at internet porn, just to get a feel for the organization). Prepare all of your answers before hand, then the interview will be a breeze. Most interviews are the same in my opinion. I remember having a few serious technical interviews when I cam out of school, and I did horrible! Someone should have told me to study for them! But most interviews are behavior based, questions like "give me an example of a time when you...". I assume the CIA is like this.
Interesting questions and observations. No, I didn't get any business cards--in fact, it's all on a first-name basis, and I suspect that the first names aren't even the real names of the interviewers. Until you're cleared, you are treated as if you might well be working for the other team (although I rather suspect that by the time they are interviewing you they've already done a good bit of background checking). And I also am virtually certain that when you interview you are the only one (or one of very few) for a particular office. I think it's more of a referendum on you rather than a competition between you and others in the room. Anonymous00's advice on researching the agency as if it was any other agency is good advice. There is a mission statement, a history, significant publications available open-source, etc. Show them that you're already an analyst and you'll be on your way. I would say that there was less behavioral interviewing than in other interviews, but this may be idiosyncratic to the interviewer.
All in all, I found it an enjoyable experience, particularly in comparison to the polygraph experience. With luck, you'll have the chance to glean that experience as well!
Thanks for all the help Alfred, really, it's been a big help (and relief!).
I apologize if you've already said it, but are you still in the BI phase of the process? How long has it been since your interview, and how long after the interview did you complete your polygraph?
Hmmm, you're probably right in what you said about the checking out of our backgrounds before the interview...I can't imagine how they could have gotten any information about me...then again, conspiracy theorists think Facebook is a CIA front, so that could have gained them some info ;)
Alfred, please keep tabs on this thread, as I may have other questions either before or after the interview...sorry that I'm using you as my personal yahoo answers, but I just feel like you seem like a pretty bright guy.
Again, thanks for all your help.
ps - you're completely right about it being on a first name basis so far...it's kind of strange calling these people by their (alleged) first names....but they probably, as you said, aren't even real.
AlfredDreyfus, it would be very helpful for potential applicants to hear about your experience with your two polygraph sessions, especially the questions asked (provided that they do not give away your identity). Making a statement anonymously (http://www.antipolygraph.org/statements.shtml) is one option.
AlfredDreyfus, did you ever hear anything on your status? Did you get in? Where does everybody else stand in their process?
Hey it's 2010 and I'm just wondering if you guys were ever hired...
They probably did get hired, or the feds came and got them. lol. Check out this post that I found on here that describes the CIA polygraph and other processing in detail:
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=4704.msg34769#msg34769
The CIA Recruitment Center and Applicant Processing (including polygraphs) Unit is at the Dulles Discovery Bldg 13000 Air & Space Museum Pkwy - Chantilly, VA (http://cryptome.org/eyeball/cia-green/cia-green.htm). Right near the Washington Dulles Airport off Rt. 28. The recruitment center phone number is 703-374-3110, and the applicant processing unit is 703-796-2988.
It used to be at the Stafford Bldg in Tyson's Corner at 1500 Westbranch Dr McLean, VA 22102. This may still be a CIA building.
What did they ask at the poly? Also, were you completely qualified for the job? What did they ask you in the interview?
I was wondering if the Agency strongly adhered to their statement that they won't be offering a position if you aren't contacted in 45 days (but at the same time they keep your application on file for a year if a position comes up). I've also heard that applying for a permanent position is different than an internship as there are not time restrictions. Anyone contacted after the 45 day period for a permanent position in the NCS?
Not true. I was contacted several months after I applied. That "45 day" thing is just something they tell applicants so that applicants don't but them. Think about it. If the CIA tells you to wait 45 days, then most people won't contact them for 45 days then after 45 days they will assume they didn't get in and move on with their life. It's more of a way to reduce the number of inquiring applicants. I didn't get in by the way, I made it up to the famous 3-day (the medical, psychological, and polygraph processing) at their Dulles Discover Bldg in Chantilly, VA but didn't get pass that. I failed the poly. My story is similar to the one an applicant posted here (https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=4704.msg34769#msg34769).
Well at least there is some hope left. I honestly thought I would be able to get to at least the first stage of the process (3.8GPA, BS, two critical languages and studying abroad in the middle east). I've started applying other places though as I realized that this can't be my only option. The problem is that 90% require 1-3yrs experience in a similar field, even for entry level jobs. I mean how am i supposed to get any experience if all opportunities require said experience. Maybe I should just join the military.....
anyone experience something similar to cia reject?
Quote from: BowBall on Jun 03, 2011, 11:31 AMI was wondering if the Agency strongly adhered to their statement that they won't be offering a position if you aren't contacted in 45 days (but at the same time they keep your application on file for a year if a position comes up). I've also heard that applying for a permanent position is different than an internship as there are not time restrictions. Anyone contacted after the 45 day period for a permanent position in the NCS?
I got contacted about 5 months after I submitted my app for an analytical position.
thanks for the post. Interesting that it could take that long but then again it makes sense.
Anyone out there still in this process?
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Is anyone aware of the background requirements? Do DWIs/PIs automatically exclude applicants from getting hired?
Contrary to widespread myth, one is not (at least not in my case) permitted an opportunity to refute any of the derogatory information that may be uncovered during the BI for CIA sinecures >:(.