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Title: Do I have a shot at all?
Post by: lala on Nov 15, 2005, 03:09 AM
I started thinking about FBI job when I heard from the news that CIA needed agents who could speak my language.   I am not sure I can be a spy so I applied for FBI special agent job as soon as I received my citizenship.  My husband thinks I am wasting my time because I will never pass the background check. Although I believe he just doesn't like the 50% pay cut I am going to get, I do have some concerns over the following facts:

1. I have been in America for only 5 years.

2. Both my father and my sister are working for a factory owned by DOD back home.  The factory does manufacture both weapons and civilian products.

I have not done anything wrong and have nothing to hide.  Initially I thought I could prove myself by taking  poly test, after reading the posts here I am not that confident anymore.

Any advice or thoughts?


Title: Re: Do I have a shot at all?
Post by: George W. Maschke on Nov 15, 2005, 04:48 PM
I have to agree with your husband that it will probably be difficult for you to pass a background investigation, even though you haven't done anything wrong.

To begin with, note that roughly half (https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=592.msg3067#msg3067) of FBI special agent applicants who make it past Phase I and Phase II testing are presently being accused of deception (many, and perhaps most, falsely) based on pseudoscientific polygraph results, which become a permanent government record. In my opinion, this is reason enough for anyone to avoid the FBI like the plague. See my article, Just Say 'No' to FBI Polygraphs (http://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-032.shtml).

Second, U.S. security officials are notoriously xenophobic. The fact that your father and sister work for the military of a foreign government will be of considerable concern, especially if you remain close to them. So, too, will the fact that you have only recently become a U.S. citizen. See  Security Clearances and National Security Information: Law and Procedures (17.5mb PDF) for more on how policies have been applied:

http://antipolygraph.org/documents/security-clearances.pdf

Finally, instead of inspiring admiration for your loyalty to your newly adopted country, the fact that you are willing to take a 50% pay cut to work for the FBI is likely to arouse deep suspicion on the part of background investigators.

I think you would be wise to keep your present job.
Title: Re: Do I have a shot at all?
Post by: lala on Nov 15, 2005, 07:26 PM
Thanks for your input George.  I agree I need a miracle to make this all happen.  I will definitely keep my job before I get a yes from FBI.

As to the paycut, I am willing to take it not because I am anxious to serve my new country (I can serve it well by paying tax), but because I always wanted to be an investigator or at least have a more exciting job.  In addition, I don't have any financial difficulties. $50k more a year won't make a huge difference for me.

The factory my father and my sister work for even has a joint venture with Siemens.  Anybody who knows the history of the country where I come from would agree  that it doesn't mean anything.  20 years ago, every business was owned by the Government.

Anyways, I will give it a try.  I do believe FBI needs people like me, who not just speak the language, but  truly understand what people are talking about.
Title: Re: Do I have a shot at all?
Post by: polyfool on Nov 15, 2005, 10:07 PM
lala,

Sorry to dash your dreams, but I have to agree with George. Although your ambition is admirable, it is highly doubtful you would even make it to the poly with the FBI. Before applicants receive a conditional job offer, they must submit a completed backgound investigation form, which will reveal your relatives living overseas. Such a circumstance is a common reason for a security clearance denial in the FBI. I would imagine the agency would not even waste it's time by extending you a conditional job offer. There are other ways to become an investigator without working for the FBI. Perhaps, that's an option you could explore. Good luck to you.
Title: Re: Do I have a shot at all?
Post by: lala on Nov 15, 2005, 11:06 PM
I will see how far I can go... Doesn't hurt to try... Maybe I will fail phase I test scheduled next month before I even start to worry about the rest.  

It is good for me to know there is little hope so I don't get too disspointed.   I am willing to give up a nice lifestyle for a dream I have held for 15 years, but if it doesn't work out, I can still go back to enjoy my big house and nice cars.  I will think of something to make my life more enjoyable, but it will always hurt whenever I hear the word "FBI SA" on radio or TV...
Title: Re: Do I have a shot at all?
Post by: Smokey on Nov 16, 2005, 12:10 AM
Lala,

    If you want to be an investigator, you could always look into the local level or even the private sector.  Many people i know tell me I should seek employment with the FBI or some other federal agency in lieu of persuing it on the local level, which I am currrently doing.  I have no desire to work for the feds, especially after reading what I've read on this site alone.

-Smokey