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Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jul 23, 2003, 04:17 AM
JohnBoy,

I've heard from several individuals whom the FBI scheduled for re-tests who were accused of countermeasures during the re-test.

It is plausible that persons taking a "re-test" might be more likely to employ countermeasures than persons taking a polygraph examination for the first time, simply because the examinee whose results were inconclusive the first time around is presumably more likely to have researched polygraphy before the second examination. Perhaps FBI polygraphers are making this assumption and hence accusing proportionately more people of countermeasures use during re-tests. However, we don't have the statistical information that would be needed to say whether FBI applicants are usually accused of countermeasures the second time around.
Posted by Human Subject
 - Jul 22, 2003, 10:18 PM
Well, I do wish you the best!
Posted by JohnBoy
 - Jul 22, 2003, 04:18 PM
Unfortunately my "gut feeling" tells me that I didn't pass either. The examiner was actually I a pretty normal person, outgoing, down to earth and polite. I think she was telling me that I didn't pass in the most polite non-threatning manner that she coud.

George,

If my results are deemed 'inconclusive' and given a second poly is it true that on the second go around the test is more direct and confrontational. I have heard they usally accuse people of countermeasures on the second time around. Is there any truth in that?
Posted by Human Subject
 - Jul 22, 2003, 03:43 PM
First off, good luck to you.

Second, unfortunately, your story sounds sort of similar to my own... and I didn't pass.

https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=1086.msg8089#msg8089

Only major difference is that in my case the examiner didn't reveal what specific questions I was having difficulty with.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jul 22, 2003, 03:21 PM
Your experience seems to be similar to that which was recently described in the message thread, Had my poly. In your case, too, your polygrapher's comments suggest that she may have been concerned that FBI HQ might deem the results to be inconclusive rather than passing.
Posted by JohnBoy
 - Jul 22, 2003, 01:03 PM
I had my poly yesterday. I am applying for the FBI. The examiner was very professional and non-confrontational. At the end of the test she asked how I thought I did. Since I was telling the truth I obviously said I think I did fine. She said there were two issues that were showing high marks. One was past cheating and the other was did I leave anything out on my application. She was very at ease with "high marks" like it wasn't a big deal. She said the "drug issue" also came up a couple of times??? The first round she gave me about 4 series of questions. The second round she gave me about 6 series. She did not give me much of a post-test interrogation. She said the results were not as consistent as she would have liked but said the final decision came down to Washington. She was very courteous after the test and as she was walking me out. I don't understand the confusion. But it sounds to me that I bombed. Would you agree with my assumption or is it normal for them to rouse you a little at the end?