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Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 23, 2003, 02:02 AMTorpedo,
The point I was making in my previous post in this message thread is that polygraph "testing" cannot reliably differentiate between truth and deception; polygraph "test" scores cannot "determine" whether a parolee or probationer is re-offending. Polygraphy does, however, have some utility for getting admissions/confessions from those who haven't yet discovered that it's a fraud.
Thank you for your holiday wishes, and I hope the same for you and yours. But I'm a little puzzled by your reference to our meeting soon at The Hague. If you expect to be in town and would like to meet, I would be amenable to that.
The point I was making in my previous post in this message thread is that polygraph "testing" cannot reliably differentiate between truth and deception; polygraph "test" scores cannot "determine" whether a parolee or probationer is re-offending. Polygraphy does, however, have some utility for getting admissions/confessions from those who haven't yet discovered that it's a fraud.
Thank you for your holiday wishes, and I hope the same for you and yours. But I'm a little puzzled by your reference to our meeting soon at The Hague. If you expect to be in town and would like to meet, I would be amenable to that.
Posted by Torpedo
- Dec 22, 2003, 07:19 PMI know you will ask "what is he talking about"....perhaps it is just the way you phased it...but when I read:
It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it.
I came to the conclusion thatyou were in efffect saying that the polygraph works....albeit not in every situation...but I think your verablized intention is clear....or was this a Freudian slip?
Have a gret holiday George...looking forward to meeting you soon at the Hague!
It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it.
I came to the conclusion thatyou were in efffect saying that the polygraph works....albeit not in every situation...but I think your verablized intention is clear....or was this a Freudian slip?
Have a gret holiday George...looking forward to meeting you soon at the Hague!
Posted by Torpedo
- Dec 21, 2003, 05:56 PMLook who is becoming a believer....not totally I admit...but surely there is a note of acknowledgement in your message that there indeed is a use for that infernal machine that you have denigrated for so long....congratulations George for your moderating view...I am proud of you!
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 21, 2003, 04:14 AMDIorNDI,
You write, among other things:
Nonsense. Polygraph "testing" is a sham. It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it.
You write, among other things:
QuoteAnd the only way society can protect us from him is to polygraph him routinely to determine if he is reoffending.
Nonsense. Polygraph "testing" is a sham. It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it.
Posted by DIorNDI
- Dec 21, 2003, 02:37 AMI did not realize this post was so old. Polyantipass, are you still free? I certainly hope not. And George, you stated earlier: "When Gino Scalabrini and I created AntiPolygraph.org and published The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, we knew full well that some of the information made available here could be helpful to people trying to "beat the system." This was not, however, our motivation for creating this website." You admit that a few "bad" people will use your advice to beat the system while you slam polygraph, claiming that a few "truthfull" people are devastated by the evil polygraphers. How is that line of reasoning any different? I wonder what the success rate of your "machine" is? And as far as those who would bash NoLieGuy and others who feel that Antipolypass should be in prison: no one touched on his current subscriptions to porn websites. He alluded to his subscriptions, not past subscriptions, which tells me he is still doing it. The fact that he has access to the computer to post here leads me to believe he is still offending. Well, hell, he openly admits to reoffending. Problem is, everyone is trying to justify his crime by making light of it by saying he only looked at pictures. Bullshit, he sought out pictures day and night, looked at them, saved them, and engaged in self pleasure fantasizing about the innocent child over and over and over. And when that picture no longer got his jollies off, he found others. And the process perpetuated until he got caught. And the only way society can protect us from him is to polygraph him routinely to determine if he is reoffending. Chalk up one more in the "ony 13% reoffend" Thanks George
Posted by Anonymous
- Sep 04, 2003, 11:00 AMHBP,
The question is not what effect your stated resting blood pressure (210/117) would have on a polygraph exam (likely none), but what effect a polygraph exam would have on your blood pressure and attendant health issues (perhaps considerable). Although no one should voluntarily be a polygraph examinee, you should absolutely refuse such (if offered) for health reasons.
The question is not what effect your stated resting blood pressure (210/117) would have on a polygraph exam (likely none), but what effect a polygraph exam would have on your blood pressure and attendant health issues (perhaps considerable). Although no one should voluntarily be a polygraph examinee, you should absolutely refuse such (if offered) for health reasons.
Posted by henry Davison
- Sep 04, 2003, 04:08 AMWhat effect would having a high blood pressure of 210/117 have on testing?
HBP
HBP
Posted by orolan
- Aug 21, 2003, 12:55 PMHuxley,
I'm sure Sie will overlook the transgression
I'm sure Sie will overlook the transgression
Posted by aldo_huxley
- Aug 21, 2003, 01:34 AMMy apologies, not intentional I assure you.
Aldo
Aldo
Posted by orolan
- Aug 20, 2003, 11:36 AMHuxley,
Just thought I would point out to you for future reference that Sie is a "she", not a "he"
Just thought I would point out to you for future reference that Sie is a "she", not a "he"
Posted by aldo_huxley
- Aug 19, 2003, 11:44 PMI agree with sie on most points. You should take his advice as the general concept of self control is there.
On the other hand, he fell back to the "good old canned" thinking process that scare tactics are the only tactics when he said you were capable of harming a child. Seems he placed you with Ted Bundy even though you probably never hurt anyone in your life. I am in the same boat as you are; I raised two lovely children and never gave corporal punishment to them. Nor have I ever engaged in physical abuse to anyone in my life. Can sie say the same? If so, can he admit that he never even thought of punishing someone or thing in his mind. If he says yes, I have a nice body of water he can walk on as I would love to make money selling tickets to his feats. A good therapist can and will get to the bottom of your issues. Question is; can you afford a good therapist? The governmental Gestapo canned psychologist with group therapy is nothing more than brainwashing, which come to think of it; it works!
Why don't they just use subliminal education over the television to get the ideal perfect citizen in everyone?
Ever wonder I chose Aldo Huxley as an ID?
Aldo
On the other hand, he fell back to the "good old canned" thinking process that scare tactics are the only tactics when he said you were capable of harming a child. Seems he placed you with Ted Bundy even though you probably never hurt anyone in your life. I am in the same boat as you are; I raised two lovely children and never gave corporal punishment to them. Nor have I ever engaged in physical abuse to anyone in my life. Can sie say the same? If so, can he admit that he never even thought of punishing someone or thing in his mind. If he says yes, I have a nice body of water he can walk on as I would love to make money selling tickets to his feats. A good therapist can and will get to the bottom of your issues. Question is; can you afford a good therapist? The governmental Gestapo canned psychologist with group therapy is nothing more than brainwashing, which come to think of it; it works!
Why don't they just use subliminal education over the television to get the ideal perfect citizen in everyone?
Ever wonder I chose Aldo Huxley as an ID?
Aldo
Posted by sie
- Aug 19, 2003, 08:28 AMAntipolypass:
Help? From where does it come and from whom? The group? Therapist? Self?
Understand and realize the outcome of your continued deviant sexual behavior, viewing of child porn, will only be negative.
My advise would be learn to eliminate fantasy/fixation of children.
1) Learn to recognize the events that lead up to your fantasies.
2) Examine these thoughts as they unfold.
a) Where are these thoughts coming from?
b) Why am I turned on by this?
3) Never deny to yourself you have these thoughts.
Action is to be avoided at all costs. (Viewing of Child porn)
1) Do not stroke your fantasies with maturbation
2) Disassociate the orgasm from your fantasies with children.
Feel remorse and let your conscious take control.
Feel empathy. Empathize for those children your victims.
Hay and most importantly acknowledge that you are capable of hurting a child and it scares you.
BTW if all else fails think of bubba and his big 10 inch
Help? From where does it come and from whom? The group? Therapist? Self?
Understand and realize the outcome of your continued deviant sexual behavior, viewing of child porn, will only be negative.
My advise would be learn to eliminate fantasy/fixation of children.
1) Learn to recognize the events that lead up to your fantasies.
2) Examine these thoughts as they unfold.
a) Where are these thoughts coming from?
b) Why am I turned on by this?
3) Never deny to yourself you have these thoughts.
Action is to be avoided at all costs. (Viewing of Child porn)
1) Do not stroke your fantasies with maturbation
2) Disassociate the orgasm from your fantasies with children.
Feel remorse and let your conscious take control.
Feel empathy. Empathize for those children your victims.
Hay and most importantly acknowledge that you are capable of hurting a child and it scares you.
BTW if all else fails think of bubba and his big 10 inch
Posted by aldo_huxley
- Aug 19, 2003, 01:44 AMPeteFonda, please change your screen name to Arthur Neve. it fits you better.
Aldo
Aldo
Posted by orolan
- Jul 27, 2003, 10:28 PMPF,
I agree that when a mind degenerates to a certain level, there is no therapy that can bring it back. Such a theory would apply to Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer quite easily, as well as some serial sex offenders and rapists. Of course, should we add in folks who are up around their 10th DUI offense to the list? Definitely a degenerate mind beyond all therapy, don't you think? BTW, do you drink?
But the fact is, not everybody is like that. Yes, it is reprehensible for someone to rape a child. That person has a serious problem. But quite a few sex offenders are so-classified because they improperly touched a child (either by accident or on purpose), or they viewed photos of naked children (like polyantipass), or they simply were viewed by a child while relieving themselves behind a tree. There are no reprehensible acts that would justify death or life in prison in these cases.
These offenders may or may not have a "degenerate mind". Only therapy will determine the true nature of their mind, and only therapy will show them that true nature.
I for one have never advocated that a sexual offender or predator on this board use what they learn here to beat the polygraph. On the contrary, I have always advocated that they get with the program and face the reality of what they have done. Most other "old-timers" on this board do the same. None of us want serial child molesters on the streets.
I agree that when a mind degenerates to a certain level, there is no therapy that can bring it back. Such a theory would apply to Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer quite easily, as well as some serial sex offenders and rapists. Of course, should we add in folks who are up around their 10th DUI offense to the list? Definitely a degenerate mind beyond all therapy, don't you think? BTW, do you drink?
But the fact is, not everybody is like that. Yes, it is reprehensible for someone to rape a child. That person has a serious problem. But quite a few sex offenders are so-classified because they improperly touched a child (either by accident or on purpose), or they viewed photos of naked children (like polyantipass), or they simply were viewed by a child while relieving themselves behind a tree. There are no reprehensible acts that would justify death or life in prison in these cases.
These offenders may or may not have a "degenerate mind". Only therapy will determine the true nature of their mind, and only therapy will show them that true nature.
I for one have never advocated that a sexual offender or predator on this board use what they learn here to beat the polygraph. On the contrary, I have always advocated that they get with the program and face the reality of what they have done. Most other "old-timers" on this board do the same. None of us want serial child molesters on the streets.
Posted by PeterFonda
- Jul 27, 2003, 03:28 PMZerotolerance,
Treatment? Society has to wake up and realize that when a mind is to the point of compete decay there is no treatment possible. Can a serial killer be treated? If your answer would be no, then why can we justify treatment for a person that would sexually abuse a child? Death or life imprisonment are the only real choices we should be considering. I know that Okieboy and some of the other sexual preditors will disagree with my opinion, but this stated, why are they here? To beat the polygragh right! Is more treatment needed? I think not.
Treatment? Society has to wake up and realize that when a mind is to the point of compete decay there is no treatment possible. Can a serial killer be treated? If your answer would be no, then why can we justify treatment for a person that would sexually abuse a child? Death or life imprisonment are the only real choices we should be considering. I know that Okieboy and some of the other sexual preditors will disagree with my opinion, but this stated, why are they here? To beat the polygragh right! Is more treatment needed? I think not.