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Posted by Fair Chance
- Nov 15, 2002, 11:55 AMQuote from: upset on Nov 14, 2002, 11:30 PM
Hello,
I took a lie detector test for a police officer position last month and the examiner initially told me I pass with no problem. I told the truth during my pre-background investigation and my background is spotless. I never used drug, steal, drink alcohol, used contermeasure, or read about lie detector test because I believed honesty is the best way to go in life. I was completely honest to the investigator and to the examiner. So, when I took the test, I pass with flying colors. The examiner told me there was not a problem with the result. He even congraduated me and we chat for awhile. I was so happy and relieve that it was over. However, a month goes by and I received a letter telling me that I have fail the test. I can't believe this at all. I talked to the examiner again and he can't believe this also. Some guy at the police department looked at my result from the test and concluded that I was not telling the truth or used some kind of contermeasure. That is not fair. How come two experts come up with different results if lie detector is so accurate? I would trust the examiner who was there giving me the test than some guy in the office looking at my graph result and made conclusion about me. Imagine some guy ruin my opportunity in couple of minutes while tarnnished my name and reputation at the same time. This is not fair. Can the guy accept the possibility that I really pass because I was telling the truth. I'm an honest person and believe in the system but this is not right.
Dear Upset,
Welcome to the "Dark Side of Polygraph" that has been carefully hidden from the public for so long.
xXx, myself, and many others on this website have been shocked like yourself. I have over ten years Federal Law Enforcement service in the Department of Justice, eight very honorable years in the United States Military, and I was found to be "not withing acceptable parameters." No explaination, no clarification, no confession, no reason given in the letter sent to me. The irony is that I am currently in a position of more responsibility in my current job then the applied agency.
Please follow up with the certified return receipt letter as advised. You are looking for answers and they will not be forthcoming unless you take the initiative.
Read the NAS study concerning pre-screening and you will see what the proponents of polygraph have been hiding for years.
Read the Lie Behind the Lie Detector on this website and you will gain an understanding that what happened to you has been going on for years.
The shock of "not being within acceptable parameters" has passed for me but I am now on a journey to find out the "truth" in what happened in my case.
Start your journey to the truth by writing that certified letter as soon as possible.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 15, 2002, 04:38 AMUpset,
You're quite right that the scoring of polygraph charts is subjective. Others have shared your experience of passing and later being told they did not pass, after all.
If you haven't already done so, I suggest that you download and read our free book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. In Chapter 3, you'll learn how these pseudoscientific "tests" are administered and scored. You may have been completely honest with your polygrapher, but you can rest assured that your polygrapher was not completely honest with you: the "test" depends on the polygrapher lying to and otherwise deceiving the person being "tested" about the nature of the procedure.
Don't just accept the false accusation of deception/ countermeasure use. It is important that you appeal the polygraph results in writing. Send your appeal by certified, return-receipt mail. Depending on which state you live in, you may be entitled under your state's freedom of information laws to obtain copies of your polygraph charts and report. See Chapter 5 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for further suggestions on the appeal process.
Please feel free to post any further questions you may have here or, if you'd like a private response, send e-mail to info@antipolygraph.org.
You're quite right that the scoring of polygraph charts is subjective. Others have shared your experience of passing and later being told they did not pass, after all.
If you haven't already done so, I suggest that you download and read our free book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. In Chapter 3, you'll learn how these pseudoscientific "tests" are administered and scored. You may have been completely honest with your polygrapher, but you can rest assured that your polygrapher was not completely honest with you: the "test" depends on the polygrapher lying to and otherwise deceiving the person being "tested" about the nature of the procedure.
Don't just accept the false accusation of deception/ countermeasure use. It is important that you appeal the polygraph results in writing. Send your appeal by certified, return-receipt mail. Depending on which state you live in, you may be entitled under your state's freedom of information laws to obtain copies of your polygraph charts and report. See Chapter 5 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for further suggestions on the appeal process.
Please feel free to post any further questions you may have here or, if you'd like a private response, send e-mail to info@antipolygraph.org.
Posted by polylawman
- Nov 15, 2002, 01:48 AMCome on. Even you , george, must think this one is BS.
Posted by upset
- Nov 14, 2002, 11:30 PM Hello,
I took a lie detector test for a police officer position last month and the examiner initially told me I pass with no problem. I told the truth during my pre-background investigation and my background is spotless. I never used drug, steal, drink alcohol, used contermeasure, or read about lie detector test because I believed honesty is the best way to go in life. I was completely honest to the investigator and to the examiner. So, when I took the test, I pass with flying colors. The examiner told me there was not a problem with the result. He even congraduated me and we chat for awhile. I was so happy and relieve that it was over. However, a month goes by and I received a letter telling me that I have fail the test. I can't believe this at all. I talked to the examiner again and he can't believe this also. Some guy at the police department looked at my result from the test and concluded that I was not telling the truth or used some kind of contermeasure. That is not fair. How come two experts come up with different results if lie detector is so accurate? I would trust the examiner who was there giving me the test than some guy in the office looking at my graph result and made conclusion about me. Imagine some guy ruin my opportunity in couple of minutes while tarnnished my name and reputation at the same time. This is not fair. Can the guy accept the possibility that I really pass because I was telling the truth. I'm an honest person and believe in the system but this is not right.
I took a lie detector test for a police officer position last month and the examiner initially told me I pass with no problem. I told the truth during my pre-background investigation and my background is spotless. I never used drug, steal, drink alcohol, used contermeasure, or read about lie detector test because I believed honesty is the best way to go in life. I was completely honest to the investigator and to the examiner. So, when I took the test, I pass with flying colors. The examiner told me there was not a problem with the result. He even congraduated me and we chat for awhile. I was so happy and relieve that it was over. However, a month goes by and I received a letter telling me that I have fail the test. I can't believe this at all. I talked to the examiner again and he can't believe this also. Some guy at the police department looked at my result from the test and concluded that I was not telling the truth or used some kind of contermeasure. That is not fair. How come two experts come up with different results if lie detector is so accurate? I would trust the examiner who was there giving me the test than some guy in the office looking at my graph result and made conclusion about me. Imagine some guy ruin my opportunity in couple of minutes while tarnnished my name and reputation at the same time. This is not fair. Can the guy accept the possibility that I really pass because I was telling the truth. I'm an honest person and believe in the system but this is not right.