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Posted by A True Libertarian
- Nov 14, 2002, 06:53 AMGeorge:
I truly appreciate your support and feedback!
Larry
I truly appreciate your support and feedback!
Larry
Posted by A True Libertarian
- Nov 14, 2002, 06:08 AMpolylawman:
I was charged with nothing; I just had an elevated reading with a question that pertained to criminal sexual activity during a pre-employment polygraph examination. Due to my employment with children, the examiner filed a child abuse report against me that indicated that I made some admissions during the post-test interogation. I did not make any admissions.
As a result of the examiner's false report, I had to endure a six week investigation and was placed on administrative leave by my employer. There were no victims. I was investigated soley based on the polygraph examiner's lies (no children had made any allegations against me). I was eventually cleared. The investigation came back UNFOUNDED.
As to your question regarding the department involved, it was Probation. I had already been offered a "conditional offer of employment" and had already passed all other backround and reference requirements. However, the "conditional offer of employment" was recinded due my examiner's false report that listed admissions that I never made.
In addition, you were wrong about your reply to George. I have contacted the ACLU of So. California and was told that my case has merit. Although, the ACLU did not elect to take the case, they did provide me with referrals.
Now I have a few questions for you: 1) Have you read the "National Academy of Sciences" report on the polygraph and do you dispute it's findings? If so, please explain how your 6-8 week polygraph certification course makes you more qualified than the Phd educated scientists who concluded that polygraph exams are unreliable, 2) How many innocent individuals have you sent to jail, and how many honest men and women have you played a part in denying employment to based soley on a polygrah chart?
I was charged with nothing; I just had an elevated reading with a question that pertained to criminal sexual activity during a pre-employment polygraph examination. Due to my employment with children, the examiner filed a child abuse report against me that indicated that I made some admissions during the post-test interogation. I did not make any admissions.
As a result of the examiner's false report, I had to endure a six week investigation and was placed on administrative leave by my employer. There were no victims. I was investigated soley based on the polygraph examiner's lies (no children had made any allegations against me). I was eventually cleared. The investigation came back UNFOUNDED.
As to your question regarding the department involved, it was Probation. I had already been offered a "conditional offer of employment" and had already passed all other backround and reference requirements. However, the "conditional offer of employment" was recinded due my examiner's false report that listed admissions that I never made.
In addition, you were wrong about your reply to George. I have contacted the ACLU of So. California and was told that my case has merit. Although, the ACLU did not elect to take the case, they did provide me with referrals.
Now I have a few questions for you: 1) Have you read the "National Academy of Sciences" report on the polygraph and do you dispute it's findings? If so, please explain how your 6-8 week polygraph certification course makes you more qualified than the Phd educated scientists who concluded that polygraph exams are unreliable, 2) How many innocent individuals have you sent to jail, and how many honest men and women have you played a part in denying employment to based soley on a polygrah chart?
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 13, 2002, 01:33 PMLarry,
Upon re-reading this message thread from the beginning, I see that you mentioned in a post on 25 October that you had indeed contacted the ACLU. Were they able to help in any way? Their website mentions that although they cannot provide referrals to individual attorneys, they "can mail you appropriate referrals to other agencies which may be of help."
Upon re-reading this message thread from the beginning, I see that you mentioned in a post on 25 October that you had indeed contacted the ACLU. Were they able to help in any way? Their website mentions that although they cannot provide referrals to individual attorneys, they "can mail you appropriate referrals to other agencies which may be of help."
Posted by polylawman
- Nov 13, 2002, 01:02 PMNo he hasn't because the entire posting is suspect.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 13, 2002, 12:56 PMLarry,
I'm deeply saddened to learn of your father's tragic death and the cascading series of events that led to it. I can only begin to imagine the anguish you and your family must be going through.
Have you contacted the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California? I think there are troubling aspects of your case (foremost among them, the polygrapher's fabricated admission) that have serious civil rights implications. Information on how the ACLU accepts cases is available here.
I'm deeply saddened to learn of your father's tragic death and the cascading series of events that led to it. I can only begin to imagine the anguish you and your family must be going through.
Have you contacted the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California? I think there are troubling aspects of your case (foremost among them, the polygrapher's fabricated admission) that have serious civil rights implications. Information on how the ACLU accepts cases is available here.
Posted by polylawman
- Nov 13, 2002, 12:21 PMI'm sorry to hear about your loss. Losing a loved one can be devastating
But what does one have to do with the other? Were you wrongly accused of molestation to?
I would love to chat with you about this and find out exactly what occurred. I will not however discuss this in an open forum.
I just want to know three things? 1.What were you charged with 2. What does the examiner have to do with your fathers death? 3. What department , if you can say, did this occur.
But what does one have to do with the other? Were you wrongly accused of molestation to?
I would love to chat with you about this and find out exactly what occurred. I will not however discuss this in an open forum.
I just want to know three things? 1.What were you charged with 2. What does the examiner have to do with your fathers death? 3. What department , if you can say, did this occur.
Posted by A True Libertarian
- Nov 13, 2002, 08:28 AMThanks for your support!
Please see my previous post that explains modifications that I have made to this posting.
Please see my previous post that explains modifications that I have made to this posting.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 29, 2002, 06:29 PMPolyman,
A True Libertarian has already been vindicated, no thanks to the polygraph; what remains to be seen is how the polygrapher who fabricated an admission will be held accountable.
A True Libertarian has already been vindicated, no thanks to the polygraph; what remains to be seen is how the polygrapher who fabricated an admission will be held accountable.
Posted by polyman
- Oct 29, 2002, 06:22 PMIf you were honest during the polygraph test, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about
Posted by A True Libertarian
- Oct 29, 2002, 05:30 AMThanks everyone for all the support. I truly appreciate it. I will keep you all updated!
This is a modified post. My father passed away recently, and in my opinion, it was due to my polygraph experience (my experiences and investigation snowballed and lead to his death). I gave more specific details in my original post; however, I have chosen to delete most of the specifics due to legal reasons.
In my original post, I honored my father as a veteran and a civil servant. He was both and deserved to die in a much more dignified matter.
This is a modified post. My father passed away recently, and in my opinion, it was due to my polygraph experience (my experiences and investigation snowballed and lead to his death). I gave more specific details in my original post; however, I have chosen to delete most of the specifics due to legal reasons.
In my original post, I honored my father as a veteran and a civil servant. He was both and deserved to die in a much more dignified matter.
Posted by Skeptic
- Oct 28, 2002, 12:11 PMQuote from: Anonymous on Oct 28, 2002, 09:40 AM
The quality of pro-polygraph community contribution(s) since the release of the NAS polygraph report has reached such consistent lows as to make one wonder if the Captain(s) of this sinking ship of fools have abandoned the rats and yeomen to their figurative watery graves...
Anonymous,
Well put
Skeptic
Posted by Anonymous
- Oct 28, 2002, 09:40 AMThe quality of pro-polygraph community contribution(s) since the release of the NAS polygraph report has reached such consistent lows as to make one wonder if the Captain(s) of this sinking ship of fools have abandoned the rats and yeomen to their figurative watery graves...
Posted by Fair Chance
- Oct 28, 2002, 09:21 AMDear Polydonotlie,
I know you have spent many years gathering your scientific studies to come up with your "99% accuracy rate" but the National Acadamy of Sciences examined all available evidence that was trustworthy and disagrees with your accuracy statement.
I urge you to Fed-Ex your reports to them as they will eventually do even more studies.
Are you sure you do not have a little brother named "george"?
I know you have spent many years gathering your scientific studies to come up with your "99% accuracy rate" but the National Acadamy of Sciences examined all available evidence that was trustworthy and disagrees with your accuracy statement.
I urge you to Fed-Ex your reports to them as they will eventually do even more studies.
Are you sure you do not have a little brother named "george"?
Posted by polydonotlie
- Oct 28, 2002, 06:27 AMPloygraphs are nearly 99% accurate based on my research. Perhaps, " A True Libertarian is a "True Liar?"
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 21, 2002, 09:09 AMSeeker,
The polygraph community's strategy seems to be to say as little as possible and hope that the storm blows over, and that the findings of the NAS will go down the public "memory hole" (just as the findings of the 1983 Congressional Office of Technology Assessment eventually did).
However, a key difference between now and 1983 is that polygraph opponents are increasingly organized and vocal. Policy makers who would ignore the NAS's finding can expect to be held publicly accountable.
The polygraph community's strategy seems to be to say as little as possible and hope that the storm blows over, and that the findings of the NAS will go down the public "memory hole" (just as the findings of the 1983 Congressional Office of Technology Assessment eventually did).
However, a key difference between now and 1983 is that polygraph opponents are increasingly organized and vocal. Policy makers who would ignore the NAS's finding can expect to be held publicly accountable.