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Posted by Fair Chance
- Oct 24, 2002, 07:30 PMLady and Gentlemen,
This problem is not limited to local county examiners. I was accused during the test of "controlled breathing", and movement throughout my pre-screening exam with the FBI (a "highly" trained examiner I hope). I was told, while the test was in progress, that if I did not change my breathing pattern, that I was going to fail. This is an extreme example on how the examiner can skew (right next to screw) the test against the examinee.
If all of the exams were videotaped or recorded, I believe alot of inappropriate and bias behavior by examiners would be curtailed.
It would also protect the examiner against false accusations. It would benefit everyone.
This problem is not limited to local county examiners. I was accused during the test of "controlled breathing", and movement throughout my pre-screening exam with the FBI (a "highly" trained examiner I hope). I was told, while the test was in progress, that if I did not change my breathing pattern, that I was going to fail. This is an extreme example on how the examiner can skew (right next to screw) the test against the examinee.
If all of the exams were videotaped or recorded, I believe alot of inappropriate and bias behavior by examiners would be curtailed.
It would also protect the examiner against false accusations. It would benefit everyone.
Posted by reality check
- Oct 24, 2002, 10:27 AMchicbette:
Geeze, I should of skipped college and went to polygraph school. In less than 2 months, I could have been certified and making $200K per year! Wow!
Actually, despite such potentail profits, I could never hold such a job because to be a successful polygraph examiner, one must be willing to: lie, distort charts, and be willing to send innocent individual to jail or prision. I could not sleep at night, if my occuption required me to engage in such activities.
Now, I know why it is so easy to become a certified polygragh examier. Clearly, an educated person with any abilty to think independently would not seek out such employment. This is a field for the uneducated and dogmatic.
Geeze, I should of skipped college and went to polygraph school. In less than 2 months, I could have been certified and making $200K per year! Wow!
Actually, despite such potentail profits, I could never hold such a job because to be a successful polygraph examiner, one must be willing to: lie, distort charts, and be willing to send innocent individual to jail or prision. I could not sleep at night, if my occuption required me to engage in such activities.
Now, I know why it is so easy to become a certified polygragh examier. Clearly, an educated person with any abilty to think independently would not seek out such employment. This is a field for the uneducated and dogmatic.
Posted by chicbette
- Oct 22, 2002, 01:51 AMHey Reality Check -
I wish you were right - I'd love to see the incompetent fool that administered a poly to a friend homeless and eating Alpo, but I doubt that will happen. The average poly examiner charges $750 per test. (Fees can range from $500-$1k). Assuming they do one poly a day, that's $3,750 per week, nearly $200k per year if they really work it.
All it takes is a 14 week training program, an equipment lease (about $10k??), and a polygraph examiner can be in business. He doesn't even need a college degree.
All this training and personal investment then gives him the privelege to #%&* with people's lives. The power trip is a bonus.
I wish you were right - I'd love to see the incompetent fool that administered a poly to a friend homeless and eating Alpo, but I doubt that will happen. The average poly examiner charges $750 per test. (Fees can range from $500-$1k). Assuming they do one poly a day, that's $3,750 per week, nearly $200k per year if they really work it.
All it takes is a 14 week training program, an equipment lease (about $10k??), and a polygraph examiner can be in business. He doesn't even need a college degree.
All this training and personal investment then gives him the privelege to #%&* with people's lives. The power trip is a bonus.
Posted by peternorth
- Oct 07, 2002, 05:02 PMseeking justice: let me know 
Posted by Reality Check
- Oct 07, 2002, 05:45 AMSeeking Justice:
Perhaps you may have a monetary claim against the county, but what type of compensation do you truly expect to receive from your examiner?
After all, San Bernardino County is the the "white trash capital of the world." I agree with your statement that the county, "employs uneducated and unqualifed examiners;" however, do not expect to file a successful lein agiainst an examiner's home because at best the only property he or she will own is a single wide deluxe trailer.
Perhaps you may have a monetary claim against the county, but what type of compensation do you truly expect to receive from your examiner?
After all, San Bernardino County is the the "white trash capital of the world." I agree with your statement that the county, "employs uneducated and unqualifed examiners;" however, do not expect to file a successful lein agiainst an examiner's home because at best the only property he or she will own is a single wide deluxe trailer.
Posted by seeking justice
- Oct 07, 2002, 03:54 AMpeternorth:
I hope that you seek legal action against the examiner and the county of San Bernardino. I, also was recently denied a probation position with the same county due to my polygraph results.
I am convincved that the county uses illegal methods and has employed uneducated and unqualified examiners. The fact the examiner threatened to end your exam while you were stiill connected to the device is an empiracle example.
Such abuses will continue, unless individual's such as yourself take action. File a civil suit against the examiner and San Bernardino County ASAP. I have and it is just a matter of days that the county receives notice of filings and the significant monetary compensation that I am seeking.
I will contact you through a private message soon. Perhaps, you and I can assist each other in seeking justice against San Bernardino and it's polygraph employees.
Best Wishes
I hope that you seek legal action against the examiner and the county of San Bernardino. I, also was recently denied a probation position with the same county due to my polygraph results.
I am convincved that the county uses illegal methods and has employed uneducated and unqualified examiners. The fact the examiner threatened to end your exam while you were stiill connected to the device is an empiracle example.
Such abuses will continue, unless individual's such as yourself take action. File a civil suit against the examiner and San Bernardino County ASAP. I have and it is just a matter of days that the county receives notice of filings and the significant monetary compensation that I am seeking.
I will contact you through a private message soon. Perhaps, you and I can assist each other in seeking justice against San Bernardino and it's polygraph employees.
Best Wishes
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 06, 2002, 05:42 AMpeternorth,
Accusations of attempted countermeasures are not uncommon when a subject's breathing is slower than what the polygrapher has been taught to expect: between 15 and 30 breaths (in and out) per minute, or 2-4 seconds each.
It is important that you not let your polygrapher's false accusation go unchallenged. It may ruin not only your chances of employment with the San Bernardino County probation department, but also with other agencies.
See Chapter 5 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for more on how to procede. It's important that your challenge (and request for a new examination) be in writing and sent by certified, return-receipt mail. In addition, you may demand that your polygraph records be released to you under the California Public Records Act.
To learn about how the "test" really works (it's a fraud), see Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, and to learn about effective countermeasures that polygraphers cannot detect, see Chapter 4.
Another option you may wish to explore with a lawyer is suing both your polygrapher and her employer over her false accusation of countermeasures. No polygrapher has demonstrated the ability to reliably detect countermeasures, and your polygrapher's defamatory claim that you employed them is based on sheer conjecture.
Accusations of attempted countermeasures are not uncommon when a subject's breathing is slower than what the polygrapher has been taught to expect: between 15 and 30 breaths (in and out) per minute, or 2-4 seconds each.
It is important that you not let your polygrapher's false accusation go unchallenged. It may ruin not only your chances of employment with the San Bernardino County probation department, but also with other agencies.
See Chapter 5 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for more on how to procede. It's important that your challenge (and request for a new examination) be in writing and sent by certified, return-receipt mail. In addition, you may demand that your polygraph records be released to you under the California Public Records Act.
To learn about how the "test" really works (it's a fraud), see Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, and to learn about effective countermeasures that polygraphers cannot detect, see Chapter 4.
Another option you may wish to explore with a lawyer is suing both your polygrapher and her employer over her false accusation of countermeasures. No polygrapher has demonstrated the ability to reliably detect countermeasures, and your polygrapher's defamatory claim that you employed them is based on sheer conjecture.
Posted by peternorth
- Oct 06, 2002, 04:01 AMI just got disqualified from a job with the probation dept. because my poly results were deemed inconclusive due to what they claimed was counter measures i was using. I didn't even know what countermeasures were let alone know how to use them but never the less they said i was trying to do something with my breathing??? All i can say is that i was nervous as hell before the test and during and when the examiner told me during the test that to stop whatever i was doing or she would stop the test that even made me more nervous, which i think is why my breathing was all over the place. Pretty much it was b.s.