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Posted by troll_of_truth
- Jul 06, 2021, 10:25 AMDrafting works. It has been used for decades and is very effective. Just don't do anything stupid like create or login to the anonymous shared email account with your real IP address. Do not even store a bookmark, the anonymous email account, or the password anywhere on your computer in case the feds seize your electronics. You will have to remember this info. Create an email account, ProtonMail and Yandex are good, using Tor, that in no way relates to your other personal usernames or email address.
If you create and only access the account with Tor, create drafts and never send the email, then you will be fine. Many criminals communicate like this. People only get caught when they slip up and forget to use Tor thus exposing their real email address.
Regarding your polygraph, I agree with George. Deny the request. A polygraph will never help you in a criminal investigation. Let the police and prosecutors do all the digging on their own and don't talk to them or help them at all. The fact that you have not yet been arrested and charged, and that they are asking you to take a poly, means they probably don't have enough evidence against you and you may get away with it. Good luck.
If you create and only access the account with Tor, create drafts and never send the email, then you will be fine. Many criminals communicate like this. People only get caught when they slip up and forget to use Tor thus exposing their real email address.
Regarding your polygraph, I agree with George. Deny the request. A polygraph will never help you in a criminal investigation. Let the police and prosecutors do all the digging on their own and don't talk to them or help them at all. The fact that you have not yet been arrested and charged, and that they are asking you to take a poly, means they probably don't have enough evidence against you and you may get away with it. Good luck.
Posted by whitecollar
- Jul 04, 2021, 08:55 PMI appreciate the prompt response, George Maschke. The only reason David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell were caught is because they, or maybe just Ms. Broadwell, did not mask their real IP addresses. Broadwell's IP and emails were already being monitored by the feds based on some threatening emails that Broadwell sent Jill Kelly. Therefore, when Broadwell logged into the anonymous drafting Gmail account with her real IP, the FBI simply matched up that IP to her and got a subpoena to monitor the drafting Gmail account, which had the same user login IP address, as well. This coupled with the fact that Google is a U.S.-based company with Gmail servers in the U.S. so the FBI can take legal action to monitor Gmail accounts as necessary. If Petraeus and Broadwell had used Tor, and only Tor, to create and access an anonymous drafting email account, they would have gotten away with it.
Usually people who get caught from their communications are caught because they did not take the proper precautions to ensure anonymity. I remember this story of a Harvard college student, Eldo Kim, who sent bomb threats through Tor. It was not Tor that failed. It was Kim who confessed when the police questioned him. He was the only one using Tor on his campus and the police suspected that the campus bomb threats came from someone on the campus, so he was the prime suspect. Law Enforcement can find out if someone is using Tor, but they have no idea what that person is doing on Tor. If Kim had not confessed, he would have gotten away with it.
I will probably reject the idea of taking that polygraph based on your advice. It seems it would do more harm than good. I like your point that if the police have credible evidence, the polygraph will not help me, pass or fail.
Usually people who get caught from their communications are caught because they did not take the proper precautions to ensure anonymity. I remember this story of a Harvard college student, Eldo Kim, who sent bomb threats through Tor. It was not Tor that failed. It was Kim who confessed when the police questioned him. He was the only one using Tor on his campus and the police suspected that the campus bomb threats came from someone on the campus, so he was the prime suspect. Law Enforcement can find out if someone is using Tor, but they have no idea what that person is doing on Tor. If Kim had not confessed, he would have gotten away with it.
I will probably reject the idea of taking that polygraph based on your advice. It seems it would do more harm than good. I like your point that if the police have credible evidence, the polygraph will not help me, pass or fail.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Jul 04, 2021, 11:20 AMQuote from: whitecollar on Jul 04, 2021, 09:50 AMI am currently under investigation in the U.S. for money laundering and racketeering. I suspect that I am under physical surveillance and that my phone calls and emails are being monitored. The state police have asked me to take a voluntary polygraph as part of their investigation. I have not been arrested or charged yet but I feel like that moment is coming.
Should I take the polygraph or refuse?
You are well-advised to refuse the polygraph, to secure legal counsel, and to not speak further with the state police without your lawyer present. You may wish to have your lawyer communicate your refusal to be polygraphed.
As used by police, a polygraph "test" is often little more than a pretext for interrogating a suspect without a lawyer present. The suspect's "failing" the "test" may be part of the interrogation plan.
QuoteI have beaten polygraphs in the past and after researching this site I am sure I can beat it again. By beating the poly, will it clear my name so these LE guys can get off my back?
If the police have credible evidence against you, beating the polygraph is unlikely to end their investigation.
QuoteI need to communicate with some people and since my phone calls and emails are being monitored, I want to know if anyone can give advice on a technique known as "drafting." The way drafting works is that me and the others I need to communicate with would have an anonymous email account that we would set up, maybe Protonmail or Yandex, and share the password. We would only ever access it through Tor and save emails as drafts for each other to read and then delete them. We would never actually send the emails. Email providers don't store draft emails on their servers, and even if they did, Protonmail and Yandex are not U.S. companies. Can anyone comment on how successful drafting is?
I don't care to advise you on how to communicate securely, but I note that the drafting technique you mention was used unsuccessfully by former CIA director David Petraeus and his mistress, Paula Broadwell:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/11/12/heres-the-e-mail-trick-petraeus-and-broadwell-used-to-communicate/
Posted by whitecollar
- Jul 04, 2021, 09:50 AMI am currently under investigation in the U.S. for money laundering and racketeering. I suspect that I am under physical surveillance and that my phone calls and emails are being monitored. The state police have asked me to take a voluntary polygraph as part of their investigation. I have not been arrested or charged yet but I feel like that moment is coming.
Should I take the polygraph or refuse? I have beaten polygraphs in the past and after researching this site I am sure I can beat it again. By beating the poly, will it clear my name so these LE guys can get off my back?
I need to communicate with some people and since my phone calls and emails are being monitored, I want to know if anyone can give advice on a technique known as "drafting." The way drafting works is that me and the others I need to communicate with would have an anonymous email account that we would set up, maybe Protonmail or Yandex, and share the password. We would only ever access it through Tor and save emails as drafts for each other to read and then delete them. We would never actually send the emails. Email providers don't store draft emails on their servers, and even if they did, Protonmail and Yandex are not U.S. companies. Can anyone comment on how successful drafting is?
Should I take the polygraph or refuse? I have beaten polygraphs in the past and after researching this site I am sure I can beat it again. By beating the poly, will it clear my name so these LE guys can get off my back?
I need to communicate with some people and since my phone calls and emails are being monitored, I want to know if anyone can give advice on a technique known as "drafting." The way drafting works is that me and the others I need to communicate with would have an anonymous email account that we would set up, maybe Protonmail or Yandex, and share the password. We would only ever access it through Tor and save emails as drafts for each other to read and then delete them. We would never actually send the emails. Email providers don't store draft emails on their servers, and even if they did, Protonmail and Yandex are not U.S. companies. Can anyone comment on how successful drafting is?