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Posted by Casey Ebsary
 - May 08, 2018, 10:20 AM
Polygraphs & Lie Detectors in Court are expanding use in Florida again. Some courts are allowing use in testing registered sex offenders & predators as a requirement of sex offender probation and monitoring.  http://www.centrallaw.com/deception-detection-polygraph-testing-and-lie-detectors-in-federal-courts-at-sentencing/ .

Previously we discussed another federal case here http://www.centrallaw.com/lie-detector-polygraph-admissible-court/
Posted by Wandersmann
 - Jun 18, 2015, 01:47 AM
Quote from: George_Maschke on Jun 18, 2015, 12:39 AMThe case to which Trimarco refers is evidently USA v. Jesus Hernandeo Angulo Mosquera, which according to the court schedule is being heard by a jury this week.
Thank you Dan and George.  I read the information in the link you provided and found it interesting.  The defense desires to introduce a passed polygraph exam for their defendant in an effort to exonerate the defendant.  The prosecution, referred to as the government, objected to the introduction of the polygraph evidence as "junk science" and not reliable.  This is the same government that is using polygraph results to the detriment of thousands of applicants and on board government employees.   What absolute hypocrites. 
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jun 18, 2015, 12:39 AM
Quote from: Wandersmann on Jun 17, 2015, 05:06 PMIs there anything to Trimarco's claim that the admittance of the polygraph in Federal court in Florida signals expanded use of the polygraph ?

Trimarco stated, at 4:50

Quote...As of a month ago, you should know, this is gigantic news in the world of law and polygraph, in federal court out of the state of Florida, polygraph was admitted as evidence, and so the floodgates have opened, at least on the federal level, and that will be the new precedent.

The case to which Trimarco refers is evidently USA v. Jesus Hernandeo Angulo Mosquera, which according to the court schedule is being heard by a jury this week.

On 9 April 2015, the presiding judge, Charlene Edwards Honeywell, signed an order (attached) admitting polygraph evidence in the case.

For background on the case and the decision to admit polygraph evidence, see:

http://www.centrallaw.com/lie-detector-polygraph-admissible-court/

It seems to me that Trimarco's claim that "the floodgates have opened" and that the Angulo Mosquera decision will be "the new precedent" is premature.
Posted by Dan Mangan
 - Jun 17, 2015, 07:13 PM
Wandersmann, polygraph enjoys zombie-like longevity flirting with a substantive role in American jurisprudence. To better understand why, I highly recommend reading "The Lie Detectors: The History of an American Obsession, " by Ken Alder.
Posted by Wandersmann
 - Jun 17, 2015, 05:06 PM
Quote from: George_Maschke on Jun 17, 2015, 02:13 PMNote how Trimarco danced around the question Leiberman put to him (at 7:10): "How difficult is it to beat a lie detector, Jack, and can specialists like yourself beat it?"

George -

        Is there anything to Trimarco's claim that the admittance of the polygraph in Federal court in Florida signals expanded use of the polygraph ?  At first that upset me, but the more I think about it might be encouraging news.  If the polygraph becomes more mainstream, the number of innocent victims will increase exponentially.  Many of the useful idiots that comprise a large part of our electorate may turn the tide against this idiotic practice.  I would love to see lawyers/judges required to be polygraphed to maintain their license to practice law.  If those self-serving hypocrites were exposed to falling victim to polygraph abuse the use of polygraph in the USA would go away overnight.   
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jun 17, 2015, 02:13 PM
Note how Trimarco danced around the question Leiberman put to him (at 7:10): "How difficult is it to beat a lie detector, Jack, and can specialists like yourself beat it?"
Posted by Evan S
 - Jun 17, 2015, 01:23 PM
From Headlines and Global News:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=26&v=iVENT21xVCU


My take is that Mr. Leiberman is naive and Trimarco is regurgitating the usual pro-polygraph rhetoric.

Judge for yourself.