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Posted by Andy Balmer
 - Sep 14, 2017, 02:51 PM
Quote from: George_Maschke on Sep 09, 2017, 05:40 AMAndy,

This recent article on the Scientific American website and the Netflix series "The Confession Tapes" that it references may be useful for your research:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/what-netflixs-the-confession-tapes-teach-us-about-the-psychology-of-interrogations/

Thank you, George!
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Sep 09, 2017, 05:40 AM
Andy,

This recent article on the Scientific American website and the Netflix series "The Confession Tapes" that it references may be useful for your research:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/what-netflixs-the-confession-tapes-teach-us-about-the-psychology-of-interrogations/
Posted by John M.
 - Sep 07, 2017, 03:17 PM
Quote from: andybalmer on Sep 05, 2017, 10:16 AMSounds like an important study!

And a fascinating story.  Good to hear from you Andy.

In the haste to catch the next Edward Snowden, the Obama administration created an "Insider Threat Task Force" to find and stop the next leakers – at all cost.  Have you ever not been able to succeed at a job?  What do you do when you can't find any Edward Snowdens?  I imagine it must get frustrating. 

Well, the honorable James R. Clapper and his sycophants ordered everyone under his "command" to undergo polygraphs.  As of yet, this abusive program hasn't done anything to catch an insider threat, but the policy of condemning someone based solely on those "results" has ruined the lives of countless innocent people.

I was polygraphed five times in three years with results alternating between "No Opinion", and "Significant Response".  After reading about ontological uncertainty and applying it to my anxiety disorder, it's rather obvious that my performance under the threat of losing my career, would generate an extremely biased "Significant Response".  Ultimately, they took my clearances, called me a "vulnerability" and involuntarily reassigned me to a position 1,000 miles away.

By using the "results" of the polygraph as the sole basis for punishing me, the Agency has committed defamation of my character and violated my civil rights for not affording me due process.

Here's where the story gets interesting – The Department of Defense has approved and extremely relevant regulations that specifically prohibit taking unfavorable administrative actions against someone based solely on the results of the polygraph.  Yet they still do it.  No one in charge is capable, or willing to stop them.

Furthermore, there is a concerted effort to hide their abuse, as senior officials from the DIA Office of Security are falsifying records and flat out lying to federal officials and judges.  I now possess the indisputable material evidence.

It is not hyperbole to say that at DIA, the Insider Threat Program and the Credibility Assessments Program operate like a modern day Gestapo, Stassi, or KGB.  There are 13 indicators of a potential insider threat, and all employees are encouraged to be vigilant and report anything suspicious about their co-workers.

The worst part? The polygraph test is not one of those indicators.

By the way, it is rumored that Edward Snowden "passed" his polygraph.

Posted by skingalvanics
 - Sep 06, 2017, 04:37 AM
Quote from: andybalmer on Sep 05, 2017, 10:08 AMBut I don't look at security agency or government repeat tests in much detail as these are - at least partially - covered in Ken Alder's work.

How extensive is the use of the polygraph by the British security agencies for vetting purposes?  Was their use thereof something imposed by the US?   ::)
Posted by Andy Balmer
 - Sep 05, 2017, 10:16 AM
Quote from: sammorter on Aug 29, 2017, 05:57 PM
I have your next book Andy.


Sounds like an important study!
Posted by Andy Balmer
 - Sep 05, 2017, 10:13 AM
Quote from: Arkhangelsk on Aug 29, 2017, 03:33 PM
Quote from: andybalmer on Aug 24, 2017, 06:50 AMI wrote my PhD thesis on lie detection, critically engaging with the scientific account and with the social history of the polygraph's use.

Thanks for the details Andy. Did your research reveal the polygraph to have the ability to detect deception above chance? What other methods of lie detection did you research?

- Hey,

I didn't perform any experiments in my PhD. It was more a case of reading the scientific literature to understand how they conduct experiments on reliability and validity and to see if these were philosophically and sociologically sound. They are not, in the most part, for there is still too little evidence for any consistent connection between intention to lie and bodily responses. To my mind, you have to sort validity before you worry about reliability, but most polygraph science emphasises reliability.
Posted by Andy Balmer
 - Sep 05, 2017, 10:08 AM
Quote from: sammorter on Aug 26, 2017, 03:56 PMHey Andy

Can we expect a chapter exploring the individual rights violations when subjects "fail" the "test" and are unjustly judged to be untrustworthy based solely on those "results"?

Also, can we expect a chapter explaining that subjecting someone to the polygraph "test" five times in three years is abusive?


Hey - I do cover these kinds of things as regards false confessions and miscarriages of justice. But I don't look at security agency or government repeat tests in much detail as these are - at least partially - covered in Ken Alder's work.

Andy
Posted by Andy Balmer
 - Sep 05, 2017, 10:06 AM
Quote from: pailryder on Aug 26, 2017, 03:18 PMAndy

Should we expect a chapter exploring how examiners use the uncertainties of law and science to manipulate subjects into truthful confession with wonderful results?

You certainly can! Quite literally in 'Ontological Uncertainty' and 'Polygraph Interrogation' chapters.
:)
Posted by Wandersmann
 - Sep 04, 2017, 01:23 PM
Quote from: 23262F2B2C420 on Sep 04, 2017, 04:35 AMName-calling and personal insults are inappropriate and do nothing to advance understanding. It's fine to attack arguments (with facts and reason), but not the character of the person making the argument.

Agreed, and my apologies for my occasional excesses in this regard.  I would like to remind the Administrator, however, that this site is the only refuge for polygraph victims who have suffered incredibly due to this polygraph hoax.  Polygraph victims, mostly American patriots who have sacrificed only to be betrayed by their government, have suffered suicide, depression, divorce, bankruptcy, etc, etc, solely due to this polygraph fraud.   To be further berated and insulted by the pro-polygraph crowd is often very hard to take.  I do take solace, however, knowing that the pro-polygraph crowd must know they are involved in a massive fraud and have some concern for the possible consequences.  Why else would they continue to follow this site? 

I realize that the administrator values the opinions of everyone who contributes to this site and this site belongs to the administrator.  I appreciate that I am able to post as a guest and do not take this privilege for granted.  I must admit, however, that I would love to see increasing postings from polygraph victims with details of abuse. 

I believe the end of polygraph abuse will only arrive when the number of victims and negative financial impact of polygraph abuse approaches the number of profiteers and profit derived from this fraud.  Those who have studied government should be familiar with the terms iron triangles and issue networks.  Our pluralist society is at its best when powerful lobbies exist on both sides of every issue to protect minority interests.  In this American tragedy the only powerful lobby is the pro-polygraph lobby.  Antipolygraph.org is the only voice that I am aware of that fights for the victims of the polygraph.  This site and it's allies needs to grow into a lobby capable of taking on the behemoth polygraph lobby.  We will never end this fraud but hopefully can improve the horrible suffering of the polygraph victims.   :)
Posted by Administrator
 - Sep 04, 2017, 04:35 AM
All are reminded of AntiPolygraph.org's posting policy:

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Name-calling and personal insults are inappropriate and do nothing to advance understanding. It's fine to attack arguments (with facts and reason), but not the character of the person making the argument.

Further posts to this message thread should address the original poster's inquiry.
Posted by STOP POLYGRAPH ABUSE NOW
 - Sep 03, 2017, 10:01 PM
Ex Members can't handle the truth.
Posted by Wandersmann
 - Sep 03, 2017, 08:51 PM
Well said John M.  Keep fighting the good fight.
Posted by John M.
 - Sep 03, 2017, 08:24 PM
Might I remind you -

AntiPolygraph.org seeks the complete abolishment of polygraph "testing" from the American workplace. Now that the National Academy of Sciences has conducted an exhaustive study and found polygraph screening to be invalid, and even dangerous to national security, Congress should extend the protections of the 1988 Employee Polygraph Protection Act to all Americans.

You think this site has gone downhill?  Ha! I'd say it's about to become a relic.  There will be no need for it once we put an end to government sponsored use of the "truth machine".

Thousands and thousands of innocent people like myself have been unfairly judged by the polygraph and it's way past time for it to stop. 

If you can't see that, get the fuck out and take palyrider, quickfix and all the the other abusers with you.

I won't rest until congress passes the COMPREHENSIVE EMPLOYEE POLYGRAPH PROTECTION ACT.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.  Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.  Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness.  Ephesians 6:12-1
Posted by Wandersmann
 - Sep 03, 2017, 08:19 PM
Quote from: Arkhangelsk on Sep 03, 2017, 07:40 PMSo I will say goodbye to you all.

Thank you ... good-bye.  My comments and tone haven't changed since I joined.  The polygraph represents one of the worst abuses of U.S. Government authority in our nation's history and I am passionate that it must come to an end.  So anyone who argues with you must have mental health issues.  Talk about a victim.   :'(
Posted by Ex Member
 - Sep 03, 2017, 07:40 PM
I think the issues the government has with you and John M have more to do with mental health than polygraphs.

Doug, I have had many kinds of job tragedies. I picked up and moved on. I did not recoil into some vicious victim posture attacking those whose viewpoints are diverse from my own.

I admire your staying power and wish you all the best in your crusade.

This forum has gone down hill since Doc's tragic accident. It is now the domain of a few with acute personality disorders.

So I will say goodbye to you all.