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Posted by xenonman
- Jul 12, 2017, 01:28 PMHow much more time have you in the Federal gulag, Doug?
Will the BOP require to you to report to a "halfway house" upon your release, and/or place you under "Supervised Release" strictures for a defined period?
Will the BOP require to you to report to a "halfway house" upon your release, and/or place you under "Supervised Release" strictures for a defined period?
Posted by Doug Williams
- Jul 12, 2017, 11:43 AMDan you are absolutely correct. Everything you have said is coming to pass - that, and much, much more! As a matter of fact, I remember you predicting this would happen years ago when the government first began their persecution of me. The Bible says "God causes ALL THINGS to work together for good" - and He is most certainly doing that my case.
Posted by xenonman
- Jul 11, 2017, 12:13 PMQuote from: Wandersmann on Jul 10, 2017, 11:02 PMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 10, 2017, 03:55 PMI'll have a Heineken.Good choice.
Dark or light?
Posted by xenonman
- Jul 11, 2017, 12:06 PMQuote from: George_Maschke on Jul 06, 2017, 10:22 PMQuote from: quickfix on Jun 29, 2017, 03:17 PMXenonman is a perfect example of someone weeded out by not one, but two agencies for mental instability-without the need of polygraph testing.
I can't disagree with you on this, quickfix. Xenonman seems mentally unfit to hold a security clearance, or any position of public trust, as evidenced by his repeated publicly stated fantasies about the death/killing of intelligence community personnel.
Dr. George,
Sending a missive like the above to someone with a temper as volatile as quickfix is not unlike handing a jerry can of gasoline and a matchbox to a pyromaniac.
I think that we can agree, George, that a transatlantic psychiatric evaluation made by a layman holds just about the same degree of reliability and accuracy as does the polygraph.
My derogatory, mostly figurative comments regarding the folks in Langley are merely a fulfillment of the apparent expectations of the Agency's polygrapher when he asked if my application there was intended "to cause the Agency harm". In those naive days, I could not understand why anyone would apply for work anywhere in order to "harm" an employer.
Now many years later and possessing a more sophisticated awareness of the recruitment and selection policies of Langley, I am merely attempting to fulfill vicariously the expectations made of me by that polygrapher so long ago.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Jul 11, 2017, 11:42 AMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 07, 2017, 06:30 PMNo, I don't think it's funny- IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS.
From a macrocosmic standpoint, the overarching hilarity in the persecution of Doug Williams goes something like this...
A scant two years after the government got its pound of flesh -- and the Operation Liebusters task force achieved collective orgasm -- Doug Williams emerges from prison physically stronger, mentally tougher, and singularly more resolute in his anti-polygraph mission.
But wait, there's more.
Having achieved a venerable (and decidedly marketable) kind of martyrdom by being incarcerated after his decades-long anti-polygraph crusade, Williams is well poised to ascend to new levels of fame and fortune.
But wait, there's still more.
When all is said and done, Operation Liebusters will end up having glorified Doug Williams and bringing even more attention to the vulnerability of polygraph "testing."
Thus, the net effect of Operation Liebusters will likely prove to be an increase in the number of applicants successfully applying countermeasures, and the financial enrichment of Doug Williams.
To many observers of the human condition, that stranger-than-fiction outcome, is, to quote quickfix, "fucking hilarious."
FILE UNDER: Law of Unintended Consequences
Posted by Wandersmann
- Jul 10, 2017, 11:02 PMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 10, 2017, 03:55 PMI'll have a Heineken.Good choice.
Posted by quickfix
- Jul 10, 2017, 03:55 PMI'll have a Heineken.
Posted by Wandersmann
- Jul 10, 2017, 03:12 PMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 09, 2017, 02:35 PMAre there no prisons? And the union workhouses- are they still in operation?
Quickfix, I'm beginning to really enjoy your posts. I'm going to make you a promise that if I ever meet you I will buy you a beer. I appreciate an asshole who is proud to be an asshole. Most of today's assholes try to pretend they are nice people and that is hard to take. Sorry for my vulgarity to those who don't like profanity, but I can't think of a more effective descriptor.
Posted by xenonman
- Jul 10, 2017, 12:32 AMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 09, 2017, 02:35 PMAnd the union workhouses- are they still in operation?
Some of our Fenian members might not appreciate the reference to "workhouses"!
Posted by Wandersmann
- Jul 09, 2017, 09:13 PMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 09, 2017, 02:35 PMAre there no prisons? And the union workhouses- are they still in operation?
I love it ! You are a real piece of work.
You are so over the top I can't help suspect you are a plant to help Anti-Polygraph.org. You've probably recruited more people to the Antipolygraph crowd than George Maschke. Just in case you really are for real and serious, take some Ritalin and try to follow my logic. You have identified yourself as a government official and in some postings, between deranged insults, you've discussed U.S. Government points-of-view and procedures. This makes you a government spokesman. Your medium for communicating with the American public is this site. There are as many people who can access this site as there are that can access White House press briefings on all the networks.
Based on the above, your status is absolutely no different than the current White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer. You are both government employees speaking on behalf of the U.S. Government through the media that can reach millions of people. Now, imagine putting your missives and profanity-laden dribbling in Sean Spicer's hand and have him read them to the public. What do you think would happen to him ? That's what could happen to you.
Posted by quickfix
- Jul 09, 2017, 02:35 PMQuote from: Wandersmann on Jul 09, 2017, 01:20 PMWhat about the innocent children of a polygraph victim who loses his/her livelihood to your witchcraft? [/quo
Are there no prisons? And the union workhouses- are they still in operation?
Posted by Wandersmann
- Jul 09, 2017, 01:20 PMQuote from: AuntyAgony on Jul 09, 2017, 01:00 PMRemember, studying how to pass the polygraph is legal and within your rights, and lying to a government official is illegal and you can go to jail.
Aunty, I can see why people hold you up as the best contributor...once again you nailed it !!!!!!!! Even Quickfix can understand and must agree with what you have said. It is 1+1=2 logic and can't be disputed (by a sane person). When the mother of all law suits finally happens it will be the plaintiff attorney's greatest challenge to represent legitimate victims and not include criminals who attempted to subvert the system, even though that is what criminal defense attorneys get rich by doing. I am ready with 30 years of accommodations, citations, and awards. I never had as much as a verbal reprimand in those 30 years and I believe it is countless cases like mine that will carry the day.
Quickfix, don't kid yourself. You are speaking on this site as an official of the U.S. Government and you are way outside of regulations, at a minimum. You love to spew the "you don't have a right to a security clearance" cliche over and over but you forgot the fact that military personnel and government civilians surrender many of their rights while serving. Think of government employees who must volunteer to be polygraphed. Based on your postings it is clear that you are either enlisted, warrant officer, or government civilian. Accordingly, you've crossed several lines. You are also crass and insensitive. What about the innocent children of a polygraph victim who loses his/her livelihood to your witchcraft? Do you think it is funny when they also suffer and go hungry?
Xenonman is correct, the serial narcissists running our government don't have the integrity to do what's right in your case at this point in time, but that doesn't negate the fact that you are non-reg and possibly breaking the law.
Posted by Aunty Agony
- Jul 09, 2017, 01:00 PMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 09, 2017, 09:55 AMthis site was created to attempt to help people to cheat their way through a polygraph test through the use of countermeasuresThis site was created and is maintained to prevent people from being cheated by a polygraph test and to support people who have already been so cheated.
Whether the polygraph operator is trying to cheat the government employee out of his career, or the government employee is trying to cheat his way past the polygraph operator, depends on what rules they have mutually agreed on. The public activity of the society of polygraph operators is entirely devoted to convincing that government employee, the U.S. Congress, and even themselves that Americans live under a set of rules that require everyone to pretend that the polygraph works as a lie detector and that any attempt to "pass" a lie detector test is "cheating".
There are no such rules.
These are the actual rules in effect according to public law:
Studying the polygraph and training yourself to pass a lie detector test when you are not lying is legal. Seeking an instructor for such training is legal. Putting yourself before the public as an instructor of such training is legal. Training others to pass a lie detector test when they are not lying is legal. Assuming that your trainees are not criminals and do not intend to lie is legal. Taking action to enhance your chances of passing a lie detector test when you are not lying is legal. Passing a lie detector test by any means or technique when you are not lying is legal.
Lying to a government official in any constructive way is illegal.
Now that you know the law, there are a couple of things that you should be aware of.
(1) Just because the polygraph is total bullshit doesn't give you the right to lie to a government official during a polygraph examination. I know it feels like you have a moral position here, but you don't, any more than you have the right to burgle someone who installed worthless locks. If you are caught, no one here will support you or offer any sympathy, and in fact Aunty will shake her finger at you.
(2) There are many deluded or malicious people out there who don't want you to know the law, and will continue to argue that refusing to meekly submit to the randomness of a polygraph examination is the same as lying to a government official. Some of those people have even gone so far as to jail Doug Williams for the one and pretend they jailed him for the other. Know the law and remain vigilant.
[I originally included the following paragraph but then edited it out. In the meantime someone commented on it so I'm putting it back]
Remember, studying how to pass the polygraph is legal and within your rights, and lying to a government official is illegal and you can go to jail.
Posted by xenonman
- Jul 09, 2017, 11:29 AMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 09, 2017, 09:55 AMWrong- this site was created to attempt to help people to cheat their way through a polygraph test through the use of countermeasures.
Typical of the bunker mentality of the national security state and its minions: No type of reform is possible nor is needed; "you're either with us, or you're on the payroll of the GRU"!
Posted by xenonman
- Jul 09, 2017, 11:24 AMQuote from: quickfix on Jul 09, 2017, 09:55 AMI have a suggestion for you: find something productive to do in your golden years.
I think he's found it! More power to him and to all whose careers have been ruined by the "lager" mentality of the national security state. 8-)