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Posted by Aunty Agony
- Jan 03, 2017, 07:05 PMThe best of fortune to you Mr. Mangan.
Here's hoping that polygraphy will continue to occupy your attention and you will be unable to stay away from this board.
Here's hoping that polygraphy will continue to occupy your attention and you will be unable to stay away from this board.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Jan 01, 2017, 11:32 PMGood luck in your future endeavors.
Posted by Ex Member
- Dec 30, 2016, 01:52 PMWell put Dan.
Best of 2017 to you and your family.
I'll be in touch with you.
Best of 2017 to you and your family.
I'll be in touch with you.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Dec 29, 2016, 09:01 PMIn closing, here are ten distinct impressions I came away with after serving as an APA-credentialed "forensic psycho-physiologist" over the past 12 years...
1. Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis.
2. Generally speaking, polygraph "testing" is essentially a $cam.
3. The flattering research that's proffered by pro-polygraph organizations is inherently flawed.
4. The "model policies" concocted by pro-polygraph organizations are conjured up by like-minded polygraph advocate$ who benefit, either directly or indirectly, from proliferation of the "test."
5. The polygraph indu$try is more of a cult than it is a legitimate science-based professional entity.
6. Credentialed polygraph practitioners who criticize the "test" are regarded by polygraph indu$try power brokers as apostates, and thus are summarily ostracized.
7. Post-Conviction Sex Offender Testing (PCSOT) is primarily a racket -- wrapped in a cloak of righteousness -- that targets a universally reviled underclass.
8. The polygraph "test" is mainly a pretext for an interrogation. By itself, the "test" has virtually no scientific value, validity or credibility.
9. Any noteworthy consistency of accurate calls derived from polygraph "testing" by an individual examiner stems not from science, but from that examiner's unique combination of education, experience, expertise, intuition and luck.
10. Polygraph "testing" is primarily about one thing: MONEY.
1. Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis.
2. Generally speaking, polygraph "testing" is essentially a $cam.
3. The flattering research that's proffered by pro-polygraph organizations is inherently flawed.
4. The "model policies" concocted by pro-polygraph organizations are conjured up by like-minded polygraph advocate$ who benefit, either directly or indirectly, from proliferation of the "test."
5. The polygraph indu$try is more of a cult than it is a legitimate science-based professional entity.
6. Credentialed polygraph practitioners who criticize the "test" are regarded by polygraph indu$try power brokers as apostates, and thus are summarily ostracized.
7. Post-Conviction Sex Offender Testing (PCSOT) is primarily a racket -- wrapped in a cloak of righteousness -- that targets a universally reviled underclass.
8. The polygraph "test" is mainly a pretext for an interrogation. By itself, the "test" has virtually no scientific value, validity or credibility.
9. Any noteworthy consistency of accurate calls derived from polygraph "testing" by an individual examiner stems not from science, but from that examiner's unique combination of education, experience, expertise, intuition and luck.
10. Polygraph "testing" is primarily about one thing: MONEY.
Posted by xenonman
- Dec 29, 2016, 05:48 AMQuote from: Arkhangelsk on Dec 24, 2016, 11:14 AMGeez quickfix, you have to be a leprechaun on Christmas Eve?
Not only on Xmas Eve, but on the other 364 days of the year as well!
Posted by Wandersmann
- Dec 28, 2016, 08:56 PMQuote from: quickfix on Dec 24, 2016, 11:02 AMGood riddance. A fool who had no business being in our profession.
Since when has committing fraud been considered a profession ?
Posted by Ex Member
- Dec 26, 2016, 09:42 PMGeorge, you may consider asking Dan to contribute a paragraph or two on the next revision of TLBTLD.
Posted by xenonman
- Dec 26, 2016, 05:25 PMQuote from: danmangan on Dec 23, 2016, 11:45 PMEffective January 1st, 2017, I am retiring from the polygraph indu$try.
Hopefully this doesn't also mean that you'll be disappearing from this pages.
Much luck in your retirement!
Posted by xenonman
- Dec 26, 2016, 05:20 PM
Quote from: quickfix on Dec 24, 2016, 11:02 AMGood riddance. A fool who had no business being in our profession.
Thank you, Mr. Scrooge!
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 26, 2016, 11:14 AMDan,
As you move on to more meaningful pursuits, I hope you'll consider stopping by here from time to time to share your thoughts on polygraph-related happenings.
Not only can you help encourage others to follow your example and exit the polygraph "profession," you can also help persuade those considering becoming polygraph operators to pursue more ethical and honorable career fields.
As you move on to more meaningful pursuits, I hope you'll consider stopping by here from time to time to share your thoughts on polygraph-related happenings.
Not only can you help encourage others to follow your example and exit the polygraph "profession," you can also help persuade those considering becoming polygraph operators to pursue more ethical and honorable career fields.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Dec 26, 2016, 10:44 AMIt's OK, Ark. Quickfix is right. I don't belong in his polygraph world.
Polygraph "testing" depends both on the ignorance of the examinee, as well as that person's fear of the odious examination process.
In retrospect, it was foolish of me to think I could bring significant change to the polygraph indu$try by advocating for a test-taker bill of rights, as well as calling for a countermeasure challenge series.
Both of those initiatives would have had deleterious effects on the polygraph indu$try, which is mainly about money.
Scientifically speaking, polygraph "testing" is a sick farce. As Doug Williams has said for decades, polygraph "testing" is a psychological billy club. Implementing a bill of rights for polygraph test-takers would be akin to running that billy club through a wood chipper.
Clearly, the polygraph indu$try's values are not my values. I have come to accept that immutable fact.
My only regret is that I did not succeed in bringing the polygraph indu$try -- particularly the American Polygraph Association -- to a higher level of ethical standards.
But hey, I tried.
Polygraph "testing" depends both on the ignorance of the examinee, as well as that person's fear of the odious examination process.
In retrospect, it was foolish of me to think I could bring significant change to the polygraph indu$try by advocating for a test-taker bill of rights, as well as calling for a countermeasure challenge series.
Both of those initiatives would have had deleterious effects on the polygraph indu$try, which is mainly about money.
Scientifically speaking, polygraph "testing" is a sick farce. As Doug Williams has said for decades, polygraph "testing" is a psychological billy club. Implementing a bill of rights for polygraph test-takers would be akin to running that billy club through a wood chipper.
Clearly, the polygraph indu$try's values are not my values. I have come to accept that immutable fact.
My only regret is that I did not succeed in bringing the polygraph indu$try -- particularly the American Polygraph Association -- to a higher level of ethical standards.
But hey, I tried.
Posted by Ex Member
- Dec 24, 2016, 11:14 AMGeez quickfix, you have to be a leprechaun on Christmas Eve?
Posted by quickfix
- Dec 24, 2016, 11:02 AMGood riddance. A fool who had no business being in our profession.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 24, 2016, 02:11 AMDan,
Congratulations on your retirement from the polygraph business, and thanks for your contribution to the public discourse on this pseudoscience.
Happy trails!
Congratulations on your retirement from the polygraph business, and thanks for your contribution to the public discourse on this pseudoscience.
Happy trails!
Posted by Ex Member
- Dec 24, 2016, 12:27 AMSent you PM.