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Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 07, 2016, 04:43 AMPoint in fact.
If the Texas examiners like Maria and TAPE would just leave me alone and stop spreading lies, I wouldn't have to come here is state the truth.
What shocks me, is people are so eager to listen to unprovable lies, over the documented truth.
If the Texas examiners like Maria and TAPE would just leave me alone and stop spreading lies, I wouldn't have to come here is state the truth.
What shocks me, is people are so eager to listen to unprovable lies, over the documented truth.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 07, 2016, 04:29 AMQuote from: danmangan on Oct 05, 2016, 10:18 PMIt's all about money.
But this is where we 110% agree, with one caveat (do to speak)
Not all of us are like that. Some of us just want to offer a fair product, at a fair, but yet competitive price. Having said that, if you look at the pricing, especially here in Texas, you can see that everyone is "on the same page." Competitive pricing does not exist in Texas, because it is strongly discouraged, or at least I have seen it be strongly discouraged, in the past. Also, I have taken a lot of crap and criticism for my competitive fee structure.
You can go ahead and wax poetic about statistics, and theory all you want. I will stick with facts and the past and current behaviors of people in this industry. Because that is what really makes the point. If polygraph is 90 to 93% accurate, why is it that none some of the most prominent examiners refused to use it to settle a long fought issue, and take me out of business like they said they wanted to do?
Hey maria, that is a good question to you directly. You want to flap your big mouth about how you want to take me out of business. If you were telling the truth and I was lying, you could have been the hero and done it in two hours; why didn't you?
Polygraph Examinations or "Lie Detector Tests" can be used in a variety of ways to resolve important issues for our clients. A polygraph examination can verify the truthfulness of a statement, or the veracity of a witness and is used by individuals, business owners/employers, attorneys, and professional counselors/clinicians along with supervision officers for the treatment and monitoring of individuals on active probation or parole.
Correctly administered, a lie detector test utilizing the polygraph examination, can be 87% to 94% accurate when a trained polygraph examiner uses a reliable and validated testing format. Texas Polygraph Services exclusively utilizes testing formats that have been validated by research and that are used extensively by the United States Government.
Is that not direct quotes from your website?
Lets ask maria.
If polygraph is 93% accurate, why did you run from it to take me out of business if you are telling the truth and I am lying?
Is it because you are afraid the accuracy rates are incorrect; or is it that you feel the accuracy rates are correct, and you didn't want to be exposed for the liar you are?
I think it's a fair question. Albeit, its the "either or" or the "alternative" question, but these frankly are the only two possible options.
You do remember what John Rios said was the reason someone would refuse to take a polygraph, don't you maria. I wonder if he thinks your refusal is because you're lying? It must be, because that is what he said about people who won't take the test.
Curious, how does it feel to have your own, former President, and current Chairman of the Board of Directors, thinking you're a liar?
Hey, he is the one who said it. Someone who is afraid of taking the test, is someone who is lying. His words.... Happy to link the video.
I will eagerly await your response.
I do wonder how your customers can believe anything you say if the answer is that you're lying. In the alternative, I wonder how any of your customers can believe your sincerity, or confidence in your test, if you simply don't believe the accuracy rates; but that would make you a liar and a charlatan. Because if you don't believe in the accuracy, and that is your reason for not taking the test, does that not mean you're posting the accuracy rates, so you can dupe people into using you?
Very interesting behavior for someone who sells a "lie detector test," no? Glad she is not a doctor.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Oct 05, 2016, 10:18 PMQuote from: the_fighting_irish on Oct 05, 2016, 08:12 PMThe problem is not the test.
That's where we differ, Joe.
Polygraph is junk science.
It's all about money.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 08:12 PMYou know I respect your opinion. I just don't share that pessimistic view of this profession. I do share your pessimistic view of some of the people in this industry, and the pessimistic view of how issues in the industry are addressed.
The problem is not the test, the problem is the people, and the culture that has been allowed to breed and rot the structure.
Attacking the test is mental and verbal masturbation. I have come to the firm resolution that it's the behaviors of some of the people within the industry more appropriate and valid targets to make your point.
Again, it is easy for people like Ray to counter attack rhetoric and statistical arguments. It is impossible to to counterattack behaviors that actually are examples of your argument, until the actions and behaviors are confronted and addressed.
Bottom line, there are examiners, prominent examiners, whose actions send a message that prominent people within the industry might even have doubts in regard to accuracy. Actions speak louder than words, and lack of action in addressing this problem is further problematic.
If they do believe in the accuracy of polygraph, they can come here, or call me and tell me I am wrong. Problem is, by telling me I am wrong about this creates a internal problem that they are in denial about, or are afraid to address; that these examiners are the liars, unethical and awful people who take joy in destroying the truth, and the life of someone who told the truth.
No one wants to admit that they enable awful people, with awful motives and intentions. Worse yet, people have a hard time confronting that they have been enablers of that kind of behavior. Then comes the hard work of addressing and fixing the problem. That would require confronting the awful people and themselves for allowing the awful actions of people and the pain they cause to gleefully.
I would say this to their faces, but none of the people engaging in the awful actions have the courage to face me, talk to me on the level, and look in the mirror.
Problem is, and I will say it again, there can be no change without confrontation; and if I am wrong, they lack the courage to tell me eye to eye, and then defend their positions in a way that effects productive debate.
The problem is not the test, the problem is the people, and the culture that has been allowed to breed and rot the structure.
Attacking the test is mental and verbal masturbation. I have come to the firm resolution that it's the behaviors of some of the people within the industry more appropriate and valid targets to make your point.
Again, it is easy for people like Ray to counter attack rhetoric and statistical arguments. It is impossible to to counterattack behaviors that actually are examples of your argument, until the actions and behaviors are confronted and addressed.
Bottom line, there are examiners, prominent examiners, whose actions send a message that prominent people within the industry might even have doubts in regard to accuracy. Actions speak louder than words, and lack of action in addressing this problem is further problematic.
If they do believe in the accuracy of polygraph, they can come here, or call me and tell me I am wrong. Problem is, by telling me I am wrong about this creates a internal problem that they are in denial about, or are afraid to address; that these examiners are the liars, unethical and awful people who take joy in destroying the truth, and the life of someone who told the truth.
No one wants to admit that they enable awful people, with awful motives and intentions. Worse yet, people have a hard time confronting that they have been enablers of that kind of behavior. Then comes the hard work of addressing and fixing the problem. That would require confronting the awful people and themselves for allowing the awful actions of people and the pain they cause to gleefully.
I would say this to their faces, but none of the people engaging in the awful actions have the courage to face me, talk to me on the level, and look in the mirror.
Problem is, and I will say it again, there can be no change without confrontation; and if I am wrong, they lack the courage to tell me eye to eye, and then defend their positions in a way that effects productive debate.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Oct 05, 2016, 07:19 PMQuote from: the_fighting_irish on Oct 05, 2016, 07:00 PMThat is my ultimate end goal. To make us what we say we are as an industry. To do that, I have to expose the termites that are infesting and weakening the integrity of the structure from within.
Joe, the polygraph-indu$try termites are laughing all the way to the bank.
The "test" is all a big con.
There is overwhelming evidence that shows polygraph is a pseudo-scientific fraud.
The legal, medical and scientific communities have condemned polygraph "testing" since the 1920s -- nearly 100 years!
George Maschke is right, Doug Williams is right, and the late great Drew Richardson was right.
"Polygraph science" is a sick joke.
I suggest you cut back on the APA/NPA Kool-Aid.
It ain't healthy.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 07:00 PMChange, real and sustainable change, only occurs when the real problems and actions are confronted, exposed, leveled and then redesigned and built into a stronger structure.
That is my ultimate end goal. To make us what we say we are as an industry. To do that, I have to expose the termites that are infesting and weakening the integrity of the structure from within. Many times, you don't even know they are there, until it's too late; and when it's too late, the structure has to be condemned.
I don't want that. Want to rip out the infested areas, address the infestation, so the structure can be then fixed and rebuilt stronger.
There can be no change, without confrontation. A wise man, said that to me a little over ten years
That is my ultimate end goal. To make us what we say we are as an industry. To do that, I have to expose the termites that are infesting and weakening the integrity of the structure from within. Many times, you don't even know they are there, until it's too late; and when it's too late, the structure has to be condemned.
I don't want that. Want to rip out the infested areas, address the infestation, so the structure can be then fixed and rebuilt stronger.
There can be no change, without confrontation. A wise man, said that to me a little over ten years
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 06:31 PMQuote from: danmangan on Oct 05, 2016, 04:24 PMBy "buddy system," I simply mean like-minded polygraph advocates who are seen as qualified examiners within the industry-- not politically reliable cronies. In other words, polygraph operators with whom you are on the same page, philosophically speaking. True believers in the "test."
Certainly, you'd allow your raw data to be reviewed by the likes of, say, Gary Davis, Ray Nelson, and your polygraph mentor of whom you speak so glowingly. I'm sure there are others.
Not true and I'll give you an example. Pleae understand, details are intentionally vague to comply with the law and protect privilege.
Recently I perfumed a polygraph where the request was made for the county to have their "expert" to review my charts. I have no issue with their "expert" reviewing my charts, knowing that 9 times out of ten, that "expert" will be an examiner from a company with a spotty history; you do the math. The one thing I won't do is surrender my charts, so they can sit in their file cabinet, do with as this unethical examiner pleases. If they want to review my work, they will do so in my presence and they will not be allowed to take care, control or management of any data.
If someone wants to look at my data, and they are authorized by the examine or lawyer of the examinee, I will allow them to look at the data. I do nothing wrong, I run good charts, a fair test, I have nothing to hide.
On another occasion, during the lawsuit, I was asked to let a county DA's office "expert" to review my charts. I was told it was going to happen at the courthouse and that I would be there for the review. When I got there, the charts were snatched from my hands by the DA's investigator, they walked away, and I never saw them again. I know those chard were being sent to Holden's office, as they were that county's golden boys at the time. I didn't fuss about it because I knew those charts, and the rest of the data were spotless. It's important to note, that my charts were still included in the Grand Jury packet, and my examine was acquitted , partly due to his passed test. If anything was wrong with those charts or the data, and I am sure, given the hostility at the time, they looked hard, my test would have been tossed and the GJ would not have seen the test.
SO yea, the idea of me not wanting to have anyone other than the above listed names looking at my charts, my history, says your assertion is bullshit.
Also, if Garry, Ray, or Don Ramsey saw my charts and something was wrong, I am 110% confident that they would toss me under the bus, after a long and unpleasant ass chewing.
Lastly, I have no cronies or minions. I know that I have no "friends" in this industry, in the same regard as they may have "friends." Whenever I would away from any examiner, I always check for a knife in my back after that meeting or discussion; and I am always suspect of everyone and their true intentions. The situation of Maria betraying me like a rat, made me realize that I should trust no one; EVER. In my eyes, everyone is a potential rat.
Thats a shame, because there are people in the NPA and APA, that I have great respect for. There are some, that if they called me at three in the morning, I would get out of bed and come running to help them in a heartbeat; but trust died inside of me in 2009. The rat did her job well.
SO yea, making me sound as if I am a part of any, inside good ole boys club, you are climbing up the wrong tree there; you will find no fruit.
Quote from: danmangan on Oct 05, 2016, 04:24 PMBy contrast, you would never allow your complete polygraph file to be reviewed by an adversarial polygraph realist such as myself.
The reason: Fear of having your work product shown to be so deficient that it warrants nullification of your "test."
You assume too much. I will say this, before I handed you charts, I would make damn sure everything was copyright protected to assure no unauthorized publication of my work. But as long as that protection were there, yea, I would let you look at charts and data. Good luck finding anything, because other than me talking like a sailor in pre and post test (F bombs, I am from Boston and all), you will find nothing that will nullify the test. Best of luck.
I do everything on the up and up, and I have no shame in regard to my work product.
My only concern would be your ability to be unbiased in your review. Sometimes Dan, I honestly believe that you lack objectivity and it is possible, you would let your agenda cloud objectivity. I don't think you do this for nefarious reasons, I believe that your intentions are well meant, just not totally objective; but we've had friendly debates about that before.
I think you need to put away your OCD in attacking reliability with your interpretations of studies and numbers that can be easily argued and dismissed, and focus on behavior, which is far more telling in regard to the real problem in this industry.
Because that is the true test of a product. If the product is that good, and that reliable, why is it that the people selling that product, or providing that service, avoiding using that product? Now there is an interesting question.
If I owned a restaurant, and I refused to eat the food doing out of my own kitchen, what does that say about my confidence in the product, and service I sell? Maybe my customers should call the health department, don't you think? I'll say this, I wouldn't be in business long.
It is easy to argue statistics and subjective interoperation of study data. It's behavior that tells the real story over the product sold or consumed.
have you noticed that Ray was engaging you, and waxing poetic on the subject when the argument consisted of interpretation of studies and rhetoric; but when I call to the plate actual behaviors of examiners, how those examiners fear their own test, and other examiners being critical of me for expecting us to use the product we sell to verify or refute the credibility of accusations made which are completely testable?
He can't defend their behavior and lack of willingness to submit to the very product we say is accurate and reliable. So the conversation ends, rather than him admitting, that their at ions might send a poor message to the public, that examiners feel that the test is good for everyone else, but not good enough for us.
The message I sent was, I believe so strongly in the product I sell, that I don't expect anyone to sit in a chair, i wouldn't sit in myself. Now that generates consumer confidence. That promotes polygraph, and promote ethical integrity within the industry.
The only message that the examiners involved in my situation send, confirm much of what you say.
Now I am gong to re ask this question.
If countermeasures are so good, and so undetectable, why didn't Maria et al just jump all over my offer, cheat the test, and get rid of me? If countermeasures work that well and are tat undetectable, you would think an examiner would know how to perform better than anyone.
Hmmmmmm I guess they don't really believe countermeasures are as effective as some believes. So I guess everyone is wrong. I guess that makes us all content.
You and I agree on so much, but have different end goals. I want to make polygraph better by cleaning up what is dirty, so what is left with is the real mission of who we should be.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 05:07 PMbusting your balls dan
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Oct 05, 2016, 04:24 PMJoe, don't take me quite so literally.
Set aside, for a moment, your self-inflicted OCD bondage with TAPE and look at things in a more general sense.
By "buddy system," I simply mean like-minded polygraph advocates who are seen as qualified examiners within the industry-- not politically reliable cronies. In other words, polygraph operators with whom you are on the same page, philosophically speaking. True believers in the "test."
Certainly, you'd allow your raw data to be reviewed by the likes of, say, Gary Davis, Ray Nelson, and your polygraph mentor of whom you speak so glowingly. I'm sure there are others.
By contrast, you would never allow your complete polygraph file to be reviewed by an adversarial polygraph realist such as myself.
The reason: Fear of having your work product shown to be so deficient that it warrants nullification of your "test."
Virtually any polygraph "test" can be nullified. In my consulting practice, I've assisted many a victim of a proclaimed false result by reviewing their polygraph "test" and documenting a lengthy list of fatal flaws.
My polygraph nullification service is both affordable and effective. It provides victims with much-needed relief, and helps remedy the damage done by the often pernicious false result of a polygraph "test."
Anyone who wishes to learn more about my polygraph nullification services is welcome to contact me via www.polygraphman.com.
Set aside, for a moment, your self-inflicted OCD bondage with TAPE and look at things in a more general sense.
By "buddy system," I simply mean like-minded polygraph advocates who are seen as qualified examiners within the industry-- not politically reliable cronies. In other words, polygraph operators with whom you are on the same page, philosophically speaking. True believers in the "test."
Certainly, you'd allow your raw data to be reviewed by the likes of, say, Gary Davis, Ray Nelson, and your polygraph mentor of whom you speak so glowingly. I'm sure there are others.
By contrast, you would never allow your complete polygraph file to be reviewed by an adversarial polygraph realist such as myself.
The reason: Fear of having your work product shown to be so deficient that it warrants nullification of your "test."
Virtually any polygraph "test" can be nullified. In my consulting practice, I've assisted many a victim of a proclaimed false result by reviewing their polygraph "test" and documenting a lengthy list of fatal flaws.
My polygraph nullification service is both affordable and effective. It provides victims with much-needed relief, and helps remedy the damage done by the often pernicious false result of a polygraph "test."
Anyone who wishes to learn more about my polygraph nullification services is welcome to contact me via www.polygraphman.com.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 12:37 PMIf I knew which examiners you were talking about dan, I could offer you way better insight and opinion.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 12:13 PMThe buddy system............... LMAO
Dan, name one person.... ONE PERSON, who is my "buddy" that would protect me, or I him. I am the most despised person in the industry. Whats funny is, I am the most despised because of the truth and documented facts, I continue to call the polygraph establishment on. This is why I am actually a bigger threat to these people than you are, because I have document ion backing me up; in most cases, their own documentation.
Yes, sometimes you make some good points with the information you have, some times. What I have, that frankly you lack, is documentation of establishment examiner's acts and behavior.
I have proof, though years of documented behavior, that the establishment polygraph examiners, in the state of Texas, either doesn't believe the 93% accuracy rate, and in fact will avoid being subject to their own, "accurate and reliable" tests; or, they know polygraph works, and they are avoiding being subject to their own test, knowing their lies and unethical behaviors will be exposed.
I can prove there is corruption in the industry, this is why they try so hard to silence and ostracize me.
The one thing that is consistent is, the examiners say that countermeasures are detectable. If they weren't, why would they have not taken the test and employed the undetectable countermeasures? Toy still haven't answered hat question.
You want to have a discussion about polygraph accuracy, I think the questions I put out there, surrounding the behaviors of those within and part of the polygraph establishment, having an aversion to being subject to their own test, is not only legitimate, but the sudden silence is both telling and concerning
You are right about one thing, I will not surrender until the issues are addressed and put to rest. Every time I am quiet, and try to move on, someone inside of TAPE reminds me, that they won't let go.
They will say of course that I am not capable, but they know that is not true. A peace an agreements were made between myself and another vary, and I have 110% backed off that party and kept my word. To that Party's credit, so have they.
Bottom line, you don't like it when I make it a point to be fair and unbiased to a system for which you seem to have a lot of bias. On the other hand, the industry and the party still involved hate it when I use their own behavior and documentation to expose what is wrong in the industry within the state of Texas.
You want to to give opinion over a case in which I don't have some basic information and data.
In any case, I assure you, I have no, buddies; and no one is my buddies, for me to even start playing the buddy system.
Buddy system..... LMAO..... Dan, you're so cute
Dan, name one person.... ONE PERSON, who is my "buddy" that would protect me, or I him. I am the most despised person in the industry. Whats funny is, I am the most despised because of the truth and documented facts, I continue to call the polygraph establishment on. This is why I am actually a bigger threat to these people than you are, because I have document ion backing me up; in most cases, their own documentation.
Yes, sometimes you make some good points with the information you have, some times. What I have, that frankly you lack, is documentation of establishment examiner's acts and behavior.
I have proof, though years of documented behavior, that the establishment polygraph examiners, in the state of Texas, either doesn't believe the 93% accuracy rate, and in fact will avoid being subject to their own, "accurate and reliable" tests; or, they know polygraph works, and they are avoiding being subject to their own test, knowing their lies and unethical behaviors will be exposed.
I can prove there is corruption in the industry, this is why they try so hard to silence and ostracize me.
The one thing that is consistent is, the examiners say that countermeasures are detectable. If they weren't, why would they have not taken the test and employed the undetectable countermeasures? Toy still haven't answered hat question.
You want to have a discussion about polygraph accuracy, I think the questions I put out there, surrounding the behaviors of those within and part of the polygraph establishment, having an aversion to being subject to their own test, is not only legitimate, but the sudden silence is both telling and concerning
You are right about one thing, I will not surrender until the issues are addressed and put to rest. Every time I am quiet, and try to move on, someone inside of TAPE reminds me, that they won't let go.
They will say of course that I am not capable, but they know that is not true. A peace an agreements were made between myself and another vary, and I have 110% backed off that party and kept my word. To that Party's credit, so have they.
Bottom line, you don't like it when I make it a point to be fair and unbiased to a system for which you seem to have a lot of bias. On the other hand, the industry and the party still involved hate it when I use their own behavior and documentation to expose what is wrong in the industry within the state of Texas.
You want to to give opinion over a case in which I don't have some basic information and data.
In any case, I assure you, I have no, buddies; and no one is my buddies, for me to even start playing the buddy system.
Buddy system..... LMAO..... Dan, you're so cute
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 11:17 AMIf the customer themselves asked, I would go to my legal council to protect the material from unauthorized dissemination, especially with video, though copyright laws; ;but after doing everything I can to make sure stuff doesn't turn up on the internet unauthorized, I am obligated to give that information, if they paid for the test.
What I could not do, is hand charts and data over to certain polygraph examiners in the state of Texas. If they ant to see my client's data, they can take their crusty asses to my office, and review the data in my presence, so long as the sharing of that information is authorized. Because I deal with some attorney tests, I do have to be concerned with privilege
What I could not do, is hand charts and data over to certain polygraph examiners in the state of Texas. If they ant to see my client's data, they can take their crusty asses to my office, and review the data in my presence, so long as the sharing of that information is authorized. Because I deal with some attorney tests, I do have to be concerned with privilege
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Oct 05, 2016, 06:30 AMGeorge, I predict Joe would never surrender -- that's how polygraph apologists look at it -- the raw data including video -- directly to the customer.
Polygraph operators are loathe to subject their work product to a second opinion. They only do so within the polygraph-operator "buddy system," i.e., other like-minded polygraph advocates.
Medical patients have a right to their records, including test results. Polygraph should be no different.
Polygraph operators are loathe to subject their work product to a second opinion. They only do so within the polygraph-operator "buddy system," i.e., other like-minded polygraph advocates.
Medical patients have a right to their records, including test results. Polygraph should be no different.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 05, 2016, 06:12 AMJoe,
If a customer asked you for the PF (or similar) file of their polygraph examination, including the video recording, would you provide that data to the customer? If not, why not?
George
PS: I'd also be interested in the answers of any other polygraph examiners reading this to the above questions.
If a customer asked you for the PF (or similar) file of their polygraph examination, including the video recording, would you provide that data to the customer? If not, why not?
George
PS: I'd also be interested in the answers of any other polygraph examiners reading this to the above questions.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Oct 05, 2016, 03:19 AMAs for the other examiner you speak of, I don't know who it is, I haven't seen any charts, so I can offer no opinion in regard to that examiners character or testing ability.
I'll say this much, I am glad someone is handling infidelity issues, because I won't touch infidelity cases, unless there is a shrink involved.
Once someone gets to a point in a relationship where you have to get polygraph involved, it's done, and there is little to no chance of saving it. Whenever I get calls about infidelity testing, I always tell them their money is better spent on a therapist or lawyers. In my personal opinion, no one comes out of those tests a winner, regardless of the outcome. So, I'm glad someone is taking them, because id rather stick an ice pick in my eye, before I do one of those tests again. Too much emotion and drama, and dealing with the crap I have to deal with down here, i'm all filled up.
Fact is, those relationships were done before they even walked into that polygraph room.
In regard to getting charts... and i say this with all due respect, you give off the impression here like you have a dog in the race to find anything that can be tossed in the examiners face. Things is, if you look at anything hard enough, anyone can find anything.
You give off the impression that you lack objectivity. And I get it, you are on a mission and part of that mission is to discredit as much as you can or at least that is the impression you sometimes set.
I am very careful not to do that. I have had to swallow my pride a couple times and tell people, that examiners I hate did nothing wrong, and my results confirm their findings. Ugh, the bitter taste of pride when I have to do that.
While I have the ability, and believe it or not, self control to remain independent and unbid, others in Texas do NOT.
Example, I have stood up for maria, and her procedure on at least two occasions. My love for what i do for a living is greater than the deep disdain I have for H&R Puff and Stuff. Honestly, if she called m, asking for my charts, the only sound she would hear is, GFY and then a dial tone.
Now if someone wants to grow some balls and come to my office to view charts, different ball game. Come on in, look at the charts, I'll even buy lunch, truce will be called, but nothing is leaving this office, no copies made, and no pictures.
With the files full of charts I have that the other examiner I have run, they stay in those files, under lock and key. I will never put my agenda ahead of that of a persons charts; no matter how bad they are. Trust me, some are total crap; and while it would give be great pleasure to expose their crap work, there is a line I would never cross and that is one of them.
Sometimes dan, the impression you give, is that is a line you would cross. I am not saying you are that guy, it's just the impression you give people.
On the other hand, to be fair, I don't know about the conversation, mane the guy was being a wold class douche.
I guess what I am saying, I lack the data to give you an opinion on the said Forensic Psycho Physiologists in question. Not sure I want to know. Because CEU time is coming up and fighting with these people to get the hours to renew my license makes me want to vomit in my mouth. While I have done my best in 2014 to make peace with them and to act in good faith, the new power dynamic in TAPE does not ale me hopeful about an in and out, don't fuck with me, I won't fuck with you, truce that occurred last time with Jon Rios; even if he did go back in his word.
The situation that these examines had was FUBAR, long before they made the call to make the appointment for the test. Trust me, whomever these examiners are, those marriages were done. They probably didn't help, but I doubt they did anymore damage than that of what was already done.
I'll say this much, I am glad someone is handling infidelity issues, because I won't touch infidelity cases, unless there is a shrink involved.
Once someone gets to a point in a relationship where you have to get polygraph involved, it's done, and there is little to no chance of saving it. Whenever I get calls about infidelity testing, I always tell them their money is better spent on a therapist or lawyers. In my personal opinion, no one comes out of those tests a winner, regardless of the outcome. So, I'm glad someone is taking them, because id rather stick an ice pick in my eye, before I do one of those tests again. Too much emotion and drama, and dealing with the crap I have to deal with down here, i'm all filled up.
Fact is, those relationships were done before they even walked into that polygraph room.
In regard to getting charts... and i say this with all due respect, you give off the impression here like you have a dog in the race to find anything that can be tossed in the examiners face. Things is, if you look at anything hard enough, anyone can find anything.
You give off the impression that you lack objectivity. And I get it, you are on a mission and part of that mission is to discredit as much as you can or at least that is the impression you sometimes set.
I am very careful not to do that. I have had to swallow my pride a couple times and tell people, that examiners I hate did nothing wrong, and my results confirm their findings. Ugh, the bitter taste of pride when I have to do that.
While I have the ability, and believe it or not, self control to remain independent and unbid, others in Texas do NOT.
Example, I have stood up for maria, and her procedure on at least two occasions. My love for what i do for a living is greater than the deep disdain I have for H&R Puff and Stuff. Honestly, if she called m, asking for my charts, the only sound she would hear is, GFY and then a dial tone.
Now if someone wants to grow some balls and come to my office to view charts, different ball game. Come on in, look at the charts, I'll even buy lunch, truce will be called, but nothing is leaving this office, no copies made, and no pictures.
With the files full of charts I have that the other examiner I have run, they stay in those files, under lock and key. I will never put my agenda ahead of that of a persons charts; no matter how bad they are. Trust me, some are total crap; and while it would give be great pleasure to expose their crap work, there is a line I would never cross and that is one of them.
Sometimes dan, the impression you give, is that is a line you would cross. I am not saying you are that guy, it's just the impression you give people.
On the other hand, to be fair, I don't know about the conversation, mane the guy was being a wold class douche.
I guess what I am saying, I lack the data to give you an opinion on the said Forensic Psycho Physiologists in question. Not sure I want to know. Because CEU time is coming up and fighting with these people to get the hours to renew my license makes me want to vomit in my mouth. While I have done my best in 2014 to make peace with them and to act in good faith, the new power dynamic in TAPE does not ale me hopeful about an in and out, don't fuck with me, I won't fuck with you, truce that occurred last time with Jon Rios; even if he did go back in his word.
The situation that these examines had was FUBAR, long before they made the call to make the appointment for the test. Trust me, whomever these examiners are, those marriages were done. They probably didn't help, but I doubt they did anymore damage than that of what was already done.