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Posted by xenonman
 - Jan 02, 2017, 03:30 PM
QuoteWho ever said he was planning on lying? Where did you get that idea?  ::)

"Agent provocateur" comes to mind here, I think. :P
Posted by Watermelondra
 - May 27, 2016, 06:54 PM
Interesting statistic you cite George. But what percentage of the people who fail go in blindly with no prep and don't employ CMs?

I'd be more interested in knowing that statistic. What's the pass rate of FBI applicants who employ CMs successfully? Certainly a good bit higher than 50% I would assume, no?
Posted by Ex Member
 - May 27, 2016, 10:05 AM
Quote from: George_Maschke on May 27, 2016, 03:58 AMNote that vjones said nothing about lying on the polygraph.

Yes, this was clear to me. But, I still find the post to be a bait. If I am wrong, then I apologize to vjones.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - May 27, 2016, 03:58 AM
Quote from: Arkhangelsk on May 26, 2016, 04:38 PM
QuoteAnything else I should be doing to prepare?

Hmmm, did you not know that the U.S. government has demonstrated a propensity to prosecute those who would encourage or assist someone to lie on a polygraph exam in order to become a federal officer?

Note that vjones said nothing about lying on the polygraph.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - May 27, 2016, 03:46 AM
QuoteHave a polygraph coming up with a federal agency in a few weeks. Is it too late to prepare? I've read over the relevant chapter in TLBTLD. Anything else I should be doing to prepare?

No, it is not too late to prepare for your polygraph interrogation. Note that there is more than just one relevant chapter in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. Countermeasures are documented in Chapter 4, but an understanding of the underlying procedure(s) is also necessary. This is documented in Chapter 3.

If the agency with which you are applying is a law enforcement one, you may benefit from reading up on a technique called the Law Enforcement Pre-Employment Test (LEPET). You'll find documentation of this technique in the U.S. Customs and Border Protection polygraph examiner's handbook, which you can download here:

https://antipolygraph.org/documents/cbp-polygraph-handbook-2010-01-07.pdf

Documentation of the LEPET begins at page 22 of the PDF.

QuoteAlso, what is the device that can be bought at the store to monitor heart rate/blood pressure? I was thinking of getting it. I think it was mentioned in TLBTLD but I can't find it now. Can anybody help?

The device you are thinking of getting is called a sphygmomanometer, or in common parlance, a blood pressure cuff.

Note that federal agencies such as the FBI, CBP, and CIA have very high pre-employment polygraph failure rates, typically on the order of 50% (in the case of CBP, more like 66%). Although polygraph countermeasures can reduce the risk of a false positive outcome, they cannot eliminate that risk. Were I in your shoes, I would consider withdrawing my application, for reasons I've explained here:

https://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-032.shtml

Although my commentary was specific to the FBI, the same reasoning would apply with nearly equal force to other federal agencies that rely on the pseudoscience of polygraphy.
Posted by Ex Member
 - May 26, 2016, 07:01 PM
QuoteWho ever said he was planning on lying?
Perhaps he already has.
Posted by Alex P
 - May 26, 2016, 06:18 PM
Who ever said he was planning on lying? Where did you get that idea?  ::)
Posted by Ex Member
 - May 26, 2016, 04:38 PM
QuoteAnything else I should be doing to prepare?

Hmmm, did you not know that the U.S. government has demonstrated a propensity to prosecute those who would encourage or assist someone to lie on a polygraph exam in order to become a federal officer?
Posted by vjones
 - May 26, 2016, 09:53 AM
Have a polygraph coming up with a federal agency in a few weeks. Is it too late to prepare? I've read over the relevant chapter in TLBTLD. Anything else I should be doing to prepare?

Also, what is the device that can be bought at the store to monitor heart rate/blood pressure? I was thinking of getting it. I think it was mentioned in TLBTLD but I can't find it now. Can anybody help?