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Posted by xenonman
- Oct 04, 2015, 02:58 AMI read recently that the Agency pulled numerous employees from its Beijing station recently, because of fear of what the Chinese hackers may have learned.
Posted by xenonman
- Oct 04, 2015, 02:55 AMI doubt very much that the Chinese security services would ever want to post that type of information on the Internet!
I'm sure that they'd much more likely want to keep it secret for their own uses.
I'm sure that they'd much more likely want to keep it secret for their own uses.
Posted by xenonman
- Oct 04, 2015, 02:51 AMQuote from: Wandersmann on Sep 30, 2015, 01:40 PMQuote from: xenonman on Jul 13, 2015, 02:10 PMIf actual identities of intelligence community "employees" have in fact been now compromised (by the Chinese or whoever), then I'd consider that a very positive development indeed!
That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice!
I have a question for anyone that can answer. Are there any statistics involving executive level officials, in any civilian or military agency, who lost a clearance or job due to failing a polygraph? I am wondering if statistical data would show adverse personnel actions due to polygraph ending at GS-15 level ? I know the new reality is that SES/Flag rank personnel are now royalty and everyone beneath them are commoners, but would statistical data support that as well ?
Well I know one fact for certain: Neither the DCI nor the DDCI are required to undergo the polygraph agony!
Posted by xenonman
- Oct 04, 2015, 02:48 AMQuote from: Wandersmann on Sep 27, 2015, 06:05 PMThe practice of the kidnapping and/or abduction of individuals (often completely innocent persons) who are then flown in secrecy to clandestine locations in third countries (believed to be Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Poland and Romania, among others) to be subjected to torture to a degree not permitted by US law. Not surprisingly, the "fearless warriors" of the CIA are the principal personnel involved in the odious process.Quote from: xenonman on Jul 13, 2015, 02:10 PMThat's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice!
Xenonman - What is "Extraordinary Rendition"?
Posted by Wandersmann
- Sep 30, 2015, 01:40 PMQuote from: xenonman on Jul 13, 2015, 02:10 PMIf actual identities of intelligence community "employees" have in fact been now compromised (by the Chinese or whoever), then I'd consider that a very positive development indeed!
That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice!
I have a question for anyone that can answer. Are there any statistics involving executive level officials, in any civilian or military agency, who lost a clearance or job due to failing a polygraph? I am wondering if statistical data would show adverse personnel actions due to polygraph ending at GS-15 level ? I know the new reality is that SES/Flag rank personnel are now royalty and everyone beneath them are commoners, but would statistical data support that as well ?
Posted by Wandersmann
- Sep 27, 2015, 06:05 PMQuote from: xenonman on Jul 13, 2015, 02:10 PMThat's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice!
Xenonman - What is "Extraordinary Rendition"?
Posted by phrend
- Sep 27, 2015, 03:19 PMThe stolen information will likely never be found on the Net or even
darknet. The likely culprits are China's intelligence and security
services. They're probably storing this info more competently than OPM.
IMHO, the counterintel value of the stolen SF-86's dwarfs the value
of info from poly admissions.
darknet. The likely culprits are China's intelligence and security
services. They're probably storing this info more competently than OPM.
IMHO, the counterintel value of the stolen SF-86's dwarfs the value
of info from poly admissions.
Posted by xenonman
- Jul 13, 2015, 02:10 PMIf actual identities of intelligence community "employees" have in fact been now compromised (by the Chinese or whoever), then I'd consider that a very positive development indeed!
That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice!
That's the only way in which outrages like "extraordinary rendition" will ever be stopped. Certainly neither Congress, nor the President, nor the courts will ever act to stop the practice!
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Jun 27, 2015, 08:27 AMQuote from: ap1011 on Jun 27, 2015, 08:16 AMI've heard rumors that I could be on the darknet (onions). I haven't looked around for it as I avoid going into any of those gray areas of the internet.
I've seen no reporting that any of the OPM data is available on any Tor hidden service.
Posted by ap1011
- Jun 27, 2015, 08:16 AMQuote from: George_Maschke on Jun 27, 2015, 02:15 AMThanks I didn't see that other thread.
Yes, it could have. See "OPM Hack May Have Exposed Polygraph Information."
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I've seen no indication that any of the exfiltrated OPM data has been posted to the Internet for anyone to look up. Have you?
I've heard rumors that I could be on the darknet (onions). I haven't looked around for it as I avoid going into any of those gray areas of the internet.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Jun 27, 2015, 02:15 AMQuote from: ap1011 on Jun 26, 2015, 08:02 PMI'm sure some of you may have heard about the leak that happened where all federal employees information was compromised. What I'm wondering is if information that comes up during polygraph could have been included?
Yes, it could have. See "OPM Hack May Have Exposed Polygraph Information."
QuoteScattered castles is a different program, but if OPM conducted any investigation regarding past polygrphy results, those results could now be in the open internet tied to your name, SS number, and address.
I failed the polygraph years ago for a 3 letter agency, similar story to some that you see on here. I don't want to go into specifics, but things I said were taken out of contest, twisted, and blown out of proportion. I got a job requiring a secret clearance a few years later, but there were issues with my clearance, and OPM conducted SPIN interviews regarding things said during my polygraph.
It's bad enough having your career ruined with this bullshit, but to have the results and personal details that came up during the lifestyle polygraph posted on the internet for anyone to look up is horrible.
I've seen no indication that any of the exfiltrated OPM data has been posted to the Internet for anyone to look up. Have you?
Posted by ap1011
- Jun 26, 2015, 08:02 PMI'm sure some of you may have heard about the leak that happened where all federal employees information was compromised. What I'm wondering is if information that comes up during polygraph could have been included? Scattered castles is a different program, but if OPM conducted any investigation regarding past polygrphy results, those results could now be in the open internet tied to your name, SS number, and address.
I failed the polygraph years ago for a 3 letter agency, similar story to some that you see on here. I don't want to go into specifics, but things I said were taken out of contest, twisted, and blown out of proportion. I got a job requiring a secret clearance a few years later, but there were issues with my clearance, and OPM conducted SPIN interviews regarding things said during my polygraph.
It's bad enough having your career ruined with this bullshit, but to have the results and personal details that came up during the lifestyle polygraph posted on the internet for anyone to look up is horrible.
I failed the polygraph years ago for a 3 letter agency, similar story to some that you see on here. I don't want to go into specifics, but things I said were taken out of contest, twisted, and blown out of proportion. I got a job requiring a secret clearance a few years later, but there were issues with my clearance, and OPM conducted SPIN interviews regarding things said during my polygraph.
It's bad enough having your career ruined with this bullshit, but to have the results and personal details that came up during the lifestyle polygraph posted on the internet for anyone to look up is horrible.