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Posted by Natasha
- Sep 19, 2016, 05:58 PMI paid $400 for a polygraph to prove DCS and court officials are litereally illegally charging me with me ex boyfriends crimes who is in prison for those crimes. This has been pending for almost 3 yrs now they officially stole my 2 BABYS 2yrs old and 4yrs old 3 months ago claiming I failed for meth but refuse to double confirm the drug test. I am prescribed ritilan and BronKaid the day they gave me a mouthswab over a false accusation. I took 2 polygraphs now and was told both time inconclusive which is bull shit never got the charts only the paper that's typed saying its was both inconclusive. I'm so confused and don't understand it.
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Aug 28, 2015, 10:31 AMOften times inconclusive is often a cop out for piss poor test.
Don't get me wrong, they do happen; but some examiners actions, and huge inconclusive rates here in texas often make me wonder if inconclusive really mean, "just another test fee."
Everyone knows why I feel that way; and it is important to note, I can only speak as to my experience as an examiner in Texas.
Whenever I hear the word "inconclusive" I become very suspicious
Don't get me wrong, they do happen; but some examiners actions, and huge inconclusive rates here in texas often make me wonder if inconclusive really mean, "just another test fee."
Everyone knows why I feel that way; and it is important to note, I can only speak as to my experience as an examiner in Texas.
Whenever I hear the word "inconclusive" I become very suspicious
Posted by Ex Member
- Aug 27, 2015, 06:46 PMAdam,
An "Inconclusive" should only be the call if the scoring results do not numerically fit into DI or NDI.
It appears that many are now calling results "Inconclusive" if they see what they deem attempts at purposeful non-cooperation. Unfortunately, these calls are subjective and often wrong.
An "Inconclusive" should only be the call if the scoring results do not numerically fit into DI or NDI.
It appears that many are now calling results "Inconclusive" if they see what they deem attempts at purposeful non-cooperation. Unfortunately, these calls are subjective and often wrong.
Posted by Adam Ali
- Aug 26, 2015, 09:20 PMSo can someone please inform me... I recently applied and got interviewed for a deputy position in a county jail. That being said I of course had to take a polygraph test. My test came out "Inconclusive" because of the fact I moved my neck a little.... Is this a possible reason for the test to result inconclusive... Is this a possible reason for them to deny me completely even though I passed my physical exam, written exam etc.
Someone please let me know something!!!
Someone please let me know something!!!
Posted by T.M. Cullen
- Feb 08, 2009, 08:24 PMQuoteIf I did not take it, I would need counciling which would last longer and cost more. This was the quickest way to deal with the issue, although it has come back to blow up in my face.
Never, EVER sign something without showing it to a lawyer FIRST and learning ALL potential legal ramifications. For all you know, the fact that you signed what you did may now make it difficult to sue the school. IOW, it may hold them harmless since you signed ADMITTING you needed help!
If you had REFUSED to sign, steadfastly maintaining that you were innocent of any wrongdoing, and they kicked you out WITHOUT ANY PROOF of wrongdoing (and a failed poly without admissions is not proof), then you might have a better legal case.
Was the girl found guilty of anything? Example, passed out drunk on school grounds...etc.? Did you or she have any bruises or scratch marks? Was there ANY evidence at all that the sex was NOT CONSENSUAL? Is the female taking any responsibility in this, or just trying to protect her reputation and not wanting to be known as a drunken tramp whore on campus by playing the "date rape" card?
Lastly, was the girl given alcohol abuse counselling over the incident?
These are questions any lawyer will probably ask you. When in doubt, seek legal advice!
Posted by Twoblock
- Feb 08, 2009, 11:23 AMMark Johnson
You will have study the laws in your state for the correct answer. They are correct that the polygraph results would have to be agreed to bt both sides in order for it to be intered as evidence. Even then some judges will not allow it because they know the polygraph does not detect lies. Defense lawyers are stupid to want to agree to do this and should be replaced. I am not a lawyer, but my advice is to hold your ground and let them know that there will be legal action if your education is interrupted by this malarky. They are illinformed if they think they can make it stick. Have them research this website.
You will have study the laws in your state for the correct answer. They are correct that the polygraph results would have to be agreed to bt both sides in order for it to be intered as evidence. Even then some judges will not allow it because they know the polygraph does not detect lies. Defense lawyers are stupid to want to agree to do this and should be replaced. I am not a lawyer, but my advice is to hold your ground and let them know that there will be legal action if your education is interrupted by this malarky. They are illinformed if they think they can make it stick. Have them research this website.
Posted by Mark johnson
- Feb 07, 2009, 01:04 PMOne more thing twoblock...the counselor and polygrapher have told me I can be judged accordingly. They said it usually doesnt happen because the defense and the DA have to agree to do it on both sides. However, the defense usually doesnt agree to it and thus it is not allowable because both dont agree to it. I told him that makes me feel wary of the justice system because polygraphs arent 100%. It doesnt make sense. That sounds like BS to me. If the defense doesnt want a bloody knife in evidence can they not agree to it??? If courts truly recognized polygraphs there would be no need for lawyers to argue innocence of guilt. Are they blatantly lying to me??? The counselor said.."I am not making this up."
If this is true, and i brought up a civil suit, could the polygraph then be entered into evidence of a criminal suit against me because that evidence has already been enetered into a court of law??
If this is true, and i brought up a civil suit, could the polygraph then be entered into evidence of a criminal suit against me because that evidence has already been enetered into a court of law??
Posted by Mark johnson
- Feb 07, 2009, 12:57 PMI will defiantly heed your advice and take action if something is done against me based on these polygraphs.
pailryder, I understand your confusion so I REWRITE what I have already said earlier. I signed an admittence to violation of the sexual assault policy. It offered me a way to stay in school without going to a board which could have expelled me (deffered suspension). As per the admittence, I would stay in school as long as I completed some educational processes, i.e. couciling with a sex ed. teacher, meeting with a group in the city. The group that I was reffered to did not have the resources to deal with my case and reffered me to another man, who wanted to give me a polygraph to confirm his suspicions that this incident was not malicious or preconcieved and that I did not need follow up counciling. If I did not take it, I would need counciling which would last longer and cost more. This was the quickest way to deal with the issue, although it has come back to blow up in my face.
pailryder, I understand your confusion so I REWRITE what I have already said earlier. I signed an admittence to violation of the sexual assault policy. It offered me a way to stay in school without going to a board which could have expelled me (deffered suspension). As per the admittence, I would stay in school as long as I completed some educational processes, i.e. couciling with a sex ed. teacher, meeting with a group in the city. The group that I was reffered to did not have the resources to deal with my case and reffered me to another man, who wanted to give me a polygraph to confirm his suspicions that this incident was not malicious or preconcieved and that I did not need follow up counciling. If I did not take it, I would need counciling which would last longer and cost more. This was the quickest way to deal with the issue, although it has come back to blow up in my face.
Posted by Twoblock
- Feb 07, 2009, 12:22 PMMark Johnson
I don't think anyone has told you that you can't legally be judged guilty or innocent solely by a ploygraph. If your education is interupted by the polygrapher and his machine and the school, then my strong suggestion is that you sue both.
I don't think anyone has told you that you can't legally be judged guilty or innocent solely by a ploygraph. If your education is interupted by the polygrapher and his machine and the school, then my strong suggestion is that you sue both.
Posted by pailryder
- Feb 07, 2009, 06:54 AMMark johnson
Just once more to be sure I understand. You took a polygraph to prove you didnt really commit a sexual assault, ever though you had already signed a "paper" (sometimes called a confession) in which you admitted you did. So you want the poly to prove you lied when you confessed? Dude, really?
Just once more to be sure I understand. You took a polygraph to prove you didnt really commit a sexual assault, ever though you had already signed a "paper" (sometimes called a confession) in which you admitted you did. So you want the poly to prove you lied when you confessed? Dude, really?
Posted by Mark johnson
- Feb 06, 2009, 09:53 PMThe one question I failed was whether or not I had knowingly touched a woman inappropiately when they were incappacitated or passed out. That I have never done! I did have sex with this woman, she was apparently too drunk to remember anything...I now have no way to prove my innocence about that because these people are dead set on polygraphs. The therapist did say tho that he thinks I need a limited amount of counceling compared to the felons he works with, which is what the school wanted in the first place. But he doesnt think I should be interrupted from school. Now, the school admins have to choose which course of action to take.
Posted by pailryder
- Feb 06, 2009, 08:31 PMMark johnson
So you failed a polygraph about a sexual assault that you had already admitted to?
So you failed a polygraph about a sexual assault that you had already admitted to?
Posted by Mark johnson
- Feb 06, 2009, 05:44 PMI did not knowingly do it, no. I had seen her take drinks in front of me by serveral things that happened over the course of that night that led me to believe that she was very coherent and knew what was going on. I contacted her the next day and she said she did not know what happened. That is what i have been saying from day one. I signed a paper that said I violated the sexual assault policy at school because I wanted to get things behind me, and if I didnt, I didnt know if worse consequences would come. I was a little hamstrung but I wanted to avoid going to a 'trial' type phase through the schools judiciary board, where worse stipulations could have been imposed.
Posted by pailryder
- Feb 06, 2009, 05:03 PMMark johnson
Did you unknowingly take advantage of another student?
Did you unknowingly take advantage of another student?
Posted by T.M. Cullen
- Feb 06, 2009, 04:45 PMQuoteThe first test I was way more anxious but was deemed inconclusive. This one, my heart was pounding, but he said it was pounding more often during a particular question. Regardless of whether polygraphs are reliable, would anxiety throw them off?
Read the quote at the bottom of my posts by Dr. Phil Zimbardo who was Chairman of the Psychology Dept. at Standford University.
Increased "Fight, flight, freeze" reactions as measure by the polygraph do NOT equate unequivocally to 'deception'. So you could have told him that. If he is focusing on one question and falsely accusing you of lying, then your mind could easily label that question as a "bogey" question and your subconscious will produce a defensive or "fight" response. Has nothing directly to do with lying or holding back information. Just that your brain is being "defensive" about that question, because it is THAT question he is calling you a liar on, when you are being truthful. Don't you think that is enough to make a truthfull person react?
You actually have three brains. The "cortex" (seat of concsious thought), which influences the "lymbic system" (seat of emotions) which sends signals to the "brain stem", which unconsciously controls your heart rate, sweat glands, adrenal gland...etc.
Anyway, sounds like you got the hang of it. Sometimes it's best to just call a polygrapher "out" . After all, he was lying to you. Don't just take what he say's as gospel. Make him back up his claims and hopefully catch him in a lie! They you have grounds for just saying, "hey, you're bull shitting me here. I am trying to be honest, but I'm starting to see this for the sham it is!".
Of course that will piss off most polygraph operators, but like I said, looked like he was going to fail you anyway.