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Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 03, 2018, 03:05 PMTasha1,
Thank you. The admission that you were trying to use countermeasures to beat the test will be damning. I don't see any way that you will end up being hired by this agency, but you can (and should) still write a letter explaining what you've mentioned here: that you wrote the letter under duress, and that you were not, in fact, attempting to beat the polygraph. Your letter will help to document what actually happened and may help if your file is ever shared with any other agency.
It should be obvious to any polygraph operator that nervous foot tapping is not a polygraph countermeasure. What this operator did to you is truly outrageous, and it shouldn't go unchallenged.
I would be interested to learn more about the name of the agency and polygraph operator involved, if you don't mind sharing those details. You might not want to post such detail on a public message board at this time, but you can reach me privately by e-mail to antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com.
Thank you. The admission that you were trying to use countermeasures to beat the test will be damning. I don't see any way that you will end up being hired by this agency, but you can (and should) still write a letter explaining what you've mentioned here: that you wrote the letter under duress, and that you were not, in fact, attempting to beat the polygraph. Your letter will help to document what actually happened and may help if your file is ever shared with any other agency.
It should be obvious to any polygraph operator that nervous foot tapping is not a polygraph countermeasure. What this operator did to you is truly outrageous, and it shouldn't go unchallenged.
I would be interested to learn more about the name of the agency and polygraph operator involved, if you don't mind sharing those details. You might not want to post such detail on a public message board at this time, but you can reach me privately by e-mail to antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com.
Posted by Tasha1
- Nov 03, 2018, 09:47 AMNo offense taken. Thanks for the help.
From what I remember again I was under duress. I wrote what he asked of me as far as I admitted guilt and apologized.
I believe it was like
I admit I was trying to use counter measures to beat the test and apologize to whom it may concern. (now keep in mind he told me what to write and this was the only way I could continue with the process.) Also I wrote that I watched a couple of utube videos on how to prepare for the text not on how to beat it. I also wrote that I was tapping my foot due to nervousness not trying to beat or cheat the test.
The entire statement kind of contradicted it self.
I hope this explains.
From what I remember again I was under duress. I wrote what he asked of me as far as I admitted guilt and apologized.
I believe it was like
I admit I was trying to use counter measures to beat the test and apologize to whom it may concern. (now keep in mind he told me what to write and this was the only way I could continue with the process.) Also I wrote that I watched a couple of utube videos on how to prepare for the text not on how to beat it. I also wrote that I was tapping my foot due to nervousness not trying to beat or cheat the test.
The entire statement kind of contradicted it self.
I hope this explains.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 03, 2018, 08:59 AMTasha1,
Please take no offense, as none is intended, but I didn't ask what your polygraph operator told you to write, but rather what you wrote. It is the latter that is of crucial importance in advising you further.
Please take no offense, as none is intended, but I didn't ask what your polygraph operator told you to write, but rather what you wrote. It is the latter that is of crucial importance in advising you further.
Posted by Tasha1
- Nov 03, 2018, 08:43 AMHe told me to admit my cheating and apologize to the Dept.
However I also stated that I wasn't trying to cheat I was simply trying to relax.
However I also stated that I wasn't trying to cheat I was simply trying to relax.
Posted by Tasha1
- Nov 03, 2018, 08:37 AMAlso does any know know if it is possible to rescind a false statement made under duress.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 03, 2018, 08:31 AMTasha1,
What did you write in your coerced "apology letter?"
What did you write in your coerced "apology letter?"
Posted by Tasha1
- Nov 03, 2018, 08:14 AMI was told I failed because I was tapping my foot and it was considered counter measures. Now I explained to the instructor it was simply a nervous twice nothing more. Then he began to give me the third degree about how he's been doing this a long time and seen a lot of things and he knows what he saw. I continued to plead my case by telling him I'm nervous and it was nothing of the sort. Then he began to pressure me into believing that my only chances to continue was to write an apology letter to the Dept. and ask for forgiveness. So I did under duress. Which at the end I told him I still believe I did nothing wrong. It was the last step in the process and was nervous. At the end he said he was writing a report about me trying to use counter measures to beat the test and I insisted that he was wrong it was a nervous twitch and nothing more. I'm trying to request a retest but not sure if they will.
If anybody has any advise that would help I would be grateful...
If anybody has any advise that would help I would be grateful...
Posted by 7536pipps
- Feb 15, 2016, 01:23 PMQuote from: quickfix on Jun 08, 2015, 05:03 PMyes, I am, and yes I and others in my profession do have an open mind. But when one engages in CMs, he/she is engaging in moral misconduct (for lack of a better term). Its' one thing to attempt CMs in order to try to hide a deceptive result. It's a completely different thing to engage in CMs to "help oneself". The vast majority of three-letter agency employees/applicants do not attempt to "help themselves". Those who do are telling us, "I will cheat if it helps me", even if they've done no wrong. It shows a clear lack of integrity. What else will they cheat at? Violating a suspect's rights? Falsifying an agent's report? These are the types of applicants who are in the 10-50% you refer to. Closer to 10% than 50%, but regardless of the percentage, lack of moral character is every bit a disqualifier as one who is deceptive to the relevant issues. I don't want someone like this guarding our nations secrets or protecting our borders. Do you?
ASS CLOWN, he was autogenic breathing to calm down his nervousness AS THE RECRUITER TOLD HIM TO.
It's NORMAL.
He wanted to appear non combative/argumentative when challenged by the polographer and told him what he wanted to hear, as any good natured person would do in the situation.
It's their house, be respectful, as should YOU.
Golden sticker keyboard warrior. I bet you're a punk in real life who asserts their "superiority" over others on this forum. Real tough guy. I'm not impressed.
Posted by xenonman
- Nov 11, 2015, 10:10 AMQuote from: 6D7E69667B080 on Jun 08, 2015, 04:51 PM
I realize the polygraph is not going away anytime soon. Perhaps an acceptable solution (to both sides) is to relocate all federal polygraphers into a single organization, independent of FBI, CIA etc., under which they would receive their performance appraisals and salary reviews. Maybe you as a fed can initiate change. Someone has to take the first step.
Likewise, the CIA, NRO, NSA, etc. aren't going away anytime soon either.
As long as we continue in the delusional mentality that such agencies are "necessary" to "protect" us,
the polygraph will remain.
The Intelligence Community and the polygraph are but two nefarious components of a culture of secrecy and unaccountability.
Posted by Aunty Agony
- Nov 10, 2015, 01:53 PMQuoteGuys I am dying here I took a ploy a year ago and failed it because they think I am some huge drug head which is far from the truth!!! I took steroids a few time in high school and college. I told the truth and they said I was lying. Now I have never done drugs beyond that but they don't believe it. This was for CBP now I want to apply for a deportation officer position they just opened up. Do you guys think I am flagged by them or should I give it a second chance. Again I never received a letter explaining why I failed they just e-mailed me saying I was un suitable for the CBP officer position. I would truly apperciate some feed back on this.How do you feel about gambling? Do you play the lottery? With the poly there's always a chance that you might pass.
thanks,
Tom
What have you got to lose? Is it a lot of labor and trouble to apply again? You won't be any worse off after two rejections than you are after one.
Why do you want to work for the CBP? Do you think you would really enjoy being a jack-booted thug? Another option might be the TSA, although they specialize in jack-booting and are not really very thuggy.
Aunty could give better advice if she knew you better.
Posted by xenonman
- Nov 10, 2015, 12:54 PMI think that Mr. Quickfix may have been the same piece of work that was trolling me on the "Federal Soup" forum a while back.
Very defensive on all aspects of the federal BI process!
Very defensive on all aspects of the federal BI process!
Posted by xenonman
- Nov 10, 2015, 12:40 PMQuote from: Wandersmann on Oct 25, 2015, 12:56 PMQuote from: quickfix on Oct 25, 2015, 12:17 PMWhen you served? When was that? Before J. Edgar Hoover?
Another childish ad hominem response. I love it ! Keep 'em coming Quickfix. You provide the visitors to this site real insight into the mentality of a government polygraph examiner. You are the best thing that ever happened to the anti-polygraph cause.
He's probably a bored Intelligence Community reject or retiree with nothing else to do!
Posted by Tom
- Nov 10, 2015, 12:26 AMGuys I am dying here I took a ploy a year ago and failed it because they think I am some huge drug head which is far from the truth!!! I took steroids a few time in high school and college. I told the truth and they said I was lying. Now I have never done drugs beyond that but they don't believe it. This was for CBP now I want to apply for a deportation officer position they just opened up. Do you guys think I am flagged by them or should I give it a second chance. Again I never received a letter explaining why I failed they just e-mailed me saying I was un suitable for the CBP officer position. I would truly apperciate some feed back on this.
thanks,
Tom
thanks,
Tom
Posted by Wandersmann
- Oct 26, 2015, 06:12 PMQuote from: quickfix on Oct 26, 2015, 03:11 PMDoug Williams sentenced to 2 years in prison. How's that for justice!
I've got a better example of justice - Jeffery Deskovic, awarded 54 million dollars after making a false confession due to coercion and mistreatment by a police polygraph examiner. Wait til starving attorneys realize the fraud involved in polygraph science. The polygraph industry's 4 billion dollar a year scam will make great compensation for lots of innocent victims.
Posted by Aunty Agony
- Oct 26, 2015, 05:35 PMQuote from: quickfix on Oct 26, 2015, 03:11 PMQuote from: AuntyAgony on Oct 25, 2015, 06:50 PMHey, Quickfix! What does "justice" mean?
Doug Williams sentenced to 2 years in prison. How's that for justice!
See? I told you doesn't know.
-Aunty.