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Posted by John M.
- Mar 23, 2018, 03:32 PMThanks for sharing with us 11x-RANGER.
Good things happen to good people.
Remember, there's a special place in hell for polygraphers and the officials that support this fraud. Judging someone as untrustworthy based solely on the "results" is an individual rights violation - except for when the government does it.
Wtf?
#stoppolygraphabuse
Good things happen to good people.
Remember, there's a special place in hell for polygraphers and the officials that support this fraud. Judging someone as untrustworthy based solely on the "results" is an individual rights violation - except for when the government does it.
Wtf?
#stoppolygraphabuse
Posted by 11x-RANGER
- Mar 23, 2018, 01:10 PMI started this post 5 years ago, here is my 5 year update.
I am now serving as a Police Officer in NYC. Finished my Masters Degree in National Security and Diplomacy from a top college.
I've been getting calls here and there from people across the country with very similar experiences and i feel really sorry for them but life moves on, as long as you stay persistent and set goals you will eventually get into a good LE job.
I read my post and it brought back a lot of memories, i don't think ill ever be able to forgive that Polygraph examiner, Larry Gordon, as he stripped away something i wanted very badly for no good reason.
I actually recently re-applied to CBP I will continue to update on the application process. Thank you all for contributing to this post and sharing your stories, i know hearing " you failed " is a tough pill to swallow when you know that you are a good person and candidate. The government sends us off to combat and when we return home they tell us we can't work a mediocre LEO job.
I am now serving as a Police Officer in NYC. Finished my Masters Degree in National Security and Diplomacy from a top college.
I've been getting calls here and there from people across the country with very similar experiences and i feel really sorry for them but life moves on, as long as you stay persistent and set goals you will eventually get into a good LE job.
I read my post and it brought back a lot of memories, i don't think ill ever be able to forgive that Polygraph examiner, Larry Gordon, as he stripped away something i wanted very badly for no good reason.
I actually recently re-applied to CBP I will continue to update on the application process. Thank you all for contributing to this post and sharing your stories, i know hearing " you failed " is a tough pill to swallow when you know that you are a good person and candidate. The government sends us off to combat and when we return home they tell us we can't work a mediocre LEO job.
Posted by skingalvanics
- Oct 03, 2017, 02:36 PMQuoteSpend your resources with an agency that actually cares about those who go out of their way to be a part of something bigger than themselves.
Excellent advice! I would go one step further and suggest that any employer who relies on polygraph results is not worth seeking a career with!
Posted by skingalvanics
- Oct 03, 2017, 02:33 PMQuote from: PATRIOT17 on Jul 23, 2017, 10:36 AMI ended the exam because I saw exactly where it was going and have no regrets about it.
Congratulations! What you did took "cajones", and I admire you for it.
Posted by PATRIOT17
- Oct 02, 2017, 01:20 AMI recently had a similar experience like most of you all on this page. When I entered the room, the exam proctor acted friendly by asking questions about my family, my college experiences, my hobbies, and my consideration of CBP as a career. When the actual exam started, the proctor switched almost instantly to an annoyed and irritated mood. Once I was called back into the exam room, the proctor began accusing me of using deception during the test since I disclosed at the beginning that I had difficulty with the serious crime question on previous polygraph tests. I told the proctor that I had no intention of causing deception during the exam and that perhaps I was nervous when that question was coming as I had difficulty with it in the past, but apparently that wasn't even a consideration for the proctor. Mind you, I have NEVER committed any serious crime in my life, NEVER done drugs, and NEVER committed alcohol offenses. What tipped me over the edge of reason was when the proctor insulted my honor by bringing up matters personal to me, and I respectfully asked that I withdraw from the employment process as I will NOT give my service to an agency that cares so little for the personal values of those who have given up time and money to serve their country. I am not offended by many things, but the lack of professional mannerism as the proctor interrogated me was appalling and NEVER in my life will I apply for CBP nor will I ever tell anyone to apply for them. All they do is waste your time by thinking that you're doing everything right only to be told you're completely wrong in the end. Spend your resources with an agency that actually cares about those who go out of their way to be a part of something bigger than themselves.
Posted by Clybourn
- Jul 23, 2017, 10:36 AMI took a CBP polygraph a few weeks ago and walked out on it. All of the research I did predicted exactly what would happen, right down to the "calibration" questions and procedures. After the examiner attempted to get me to go over the same line of questioning a third time (claiming first that i was moving too much, then that my "mind was racing, and must be hiding something from her) while becoming increasingly hostile and accusatory, I ended the exam because I saw exactly where it was going and have no regrets about it.
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 02, 2017, 10:10 AMQuote from: xenonman on Jun 02, 2017, 09:50 AMIt is true that in order to be hired, one must pass both the polygraph and background investigation. But one can be rejected over either one, alone.
Correct. As I've said numerous times on this site, the BI can be every bit as pernicious as the polygraph.
Certainly that was the case for me. It was a great lesson for me in just how nasty people can be when they believe that they can hide under the cloak of anonymity. One alcoholic sociopath who participated in my BI didn't even want anonymity!
Following any rejection from any federal employment involving the almighty security clearance, always make a FOIA/PA request to the agency that ultimately declined the employment application. Many applicants will be in for some very ugly surprises, as once was I.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Jun 02, 2017, 09:50 AMQuoteSo i just got a email from CBP saying my tenative selection for employment was withdrawn due to a unfavorible Polygraph examination. I did some research and found out that the poly test is supppse to be used conjuction with the BI for a determination and that in there policies outlined and their manual that it is not the sole determine factor. I sent a email to them saying that i will be contacting congress because their requirements goes against their policies.
It is true that in order to be hired, one must pass both the polygraph and background investigation. But one can be rejected over either one, alone.
In federal agencies that impose a pre-employment polygraph screening requirement, it is common for applicants to be rejected based on polygraph results alone.
The best solution would be for Congress to amend the Employee Polygraph Protection Act to close the government loopholes. We have proposed language on how to do that here:
https://antipolygraph.org/ceppa.shtml
Posted by Josh Josh
- Jun 01, 2017, 11:19 PMSo i just got a email from CBP saying my tenative selection for employment was withdrawn due to a unfavorible Polygraph examination. I did some research and found out that the poly test is supppse to be used conjuction with the BI for a determination and that in there policies outlined and their manual that it is not the sole determine factor. I sent a email to them saying that i will be contacting congress because their requirements goes against their policies.
Posted by Tommie
- May 28, 2017, 11:07 AMYou are a fucking kiss ass who like when a veteran get screwed. YOUR MOTHER SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ABORTION.....
Posted by xenonman
- Feb 10, 2017, 01:21 AMQuoteHow long take for get a answer in your polygraph exam for the CBP?
I never applied to the CBP. My rejection from NSA came about 2 mos. after my "interview" there.
From the CIA, it took under a month from the time of my "interviews".
Posted by Jose
- Feb 09, 2017, 11:45 PMHow long take for get a answer in your polygraph exam for the CBP?
Posted by xenonman
- Dec 31, 2016, 10:11 PMQuotethen he told me take a break. I came back after the 15 min break then he said you thought of soemthign on your break that you
Exactly the same stunt was pulled on me at the CIA. The examiner kept complaining about my responses, and then sent me on a lunch break. When I returned, he asked me if I had "remembered" anything new.
Posted by xenonman
- Dec 31, 2016, 10:00 PMThe polygrapher I dealt with at the CIA had a similar approach. He kept asking me if I was "serious" about wanting to work there.
Next, an individual identifying himself as a supervisory polygrapher "assured" me that many applicants turn out not to be "serious" about wanting to be employed there, and that there was nothing shameful if that was also the case with me.
Next, an individual identifying himself as a supervisory polygrapher "assured" me that many applicants turn out not to be "serious" about wanting to be employed there, and that there was nothing shameful if that was also the case with me.
Posted by Aunty Agony
- Sep 10, 2016, 03:23 PMQuotehe said when the lady was looking for his paper work for him to sign out. All he saw on all the papers for the others that were there that day was "fail".Obviously the CBP had reached its hiring quota for the period and was rejecting all further applicants for its own administrative convenience.
The Constitution of the United States of America does not protect its citizens against this particular form of abuse, although obviously it should. A new Bill of Rights would require ratification by 2/3 of the states but maybe it's time to start thinking about it.