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Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Nov 16, 2013, 08:30 AM
Quote from: quickfix on Nov 14, 2013, 05:02 PMYou're a relic of the past, long since forgotten, like the old Soviet Union.But please keep selling your wares, so we can keep catching the imbeciles who try to use your "tried and true" CM methods.

Quickfix,

The fact that the U.S. government has made Doug Williams the target of an ongoing criminal investigation for teaching people how to pass a polygraph "test" is incontrovertible proof that he hasn't been forgotten. Certainly not by the federal polygraph community. Moreover, the fact that our government felt the need to target Doug (and identify his customers) seriously undermines the polygraph community's claim that it can detect the polygraph passing techniques that he teaches.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Nov 15, 2013, 12:53 AM
U.S. Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) expressed concern about the circulation of the polygraph watch list in a hearing yesterday, citing Marisa Taylor's reporting on it (at 1:23:00):

http://c-spanvideo.org/program/CyberThrea

Marisa Taylor reports on Coburn's remarks here:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/14/208615/crackdown-that-shared-americans.html
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Nov 15, 2013, 12:35 AM
QuoteBy the way George, since you are only the "Co-Founder" of this site, who is/are the other Co-Founder(s)?I never hear their named mentioned around these parks, what has become of them?And who is Gino J. Scalabrini, the other author on TLBTLD?

Gino Scalabrini is the other co-founder of AntiPolygraph.org. He's alive and well, but I'm taking care of site updates and answering the mail lately.
Posted by Ex Member
 - Nov 14, 2013, 10:27 PM
Quote from: quickfix on Nov 14, 2013, 05:02 PMso we can keep catching the imbeciles who try to use your "tried and true" CM methods. 
Quickfix, previously you faded away when confronted with the countermeasure challenge. You may indeed be able to catch 'imbeciles' who try crude and unrefined attempts, but a properly executed countermeasure is impossible to detect. This is the reason the overreaching Operation Lie Buster even exists.
Posted by poly beater
 - Nov 14, 2013, 08:45 PM
Just to let folks know, I used information from Doug Williams (though I never personally saw Doug) and from George Maschke's TLBTLD and I was able to LIE AND BEAT MY POLYGRAPH.  That's right.  I used the mental countermeasures where I would do arithmetic in my head (or think about an exciting sports event, or some good dirty porn) to generate responses on the questions that were not relevant.  Simple.  I was also very calm and respectful and told the polygrapher that I had no intent of using countermeasures and that I had nothing to hide.  I didn't even crack under their silly interrogation procedure.

I used CMs and passed, and got hired.  This was for a 3-letter agency.  I was not caught in any of these Operation Lie Buster stings or anything.  I know many other people who have lied and used CMs and passed as well.  We joke about the whole process and the pussies who fall for it and start telling all of their business, things the polygrapher would have never found out about in the first place. The fact is, mental countermeasures are not detectable because you can't read someone's brain. lol.  You may be able to detect breathing anomalies by the pneumatic tubes on the machine, or tongue biting if you watch closely, or butt-squeezing with the seat sensor that is now used....but mental countermeasures work great and are undetectable.

Thank you Doug and George.

By the way George, since you are only the "Co-Founder" of this site, who is/are the other Co-Founder(s)?  I never hear their named mentioned around these parks, what has become of them?  And who is Gino J. Scalabrini, the other author on TLBTLD?
Posted by Doug Williams
 - Nov 14, 2013, 05:44 PM
Quote(Same John as above)

Thanks for your response Doug. I appreciate your candor and your work. Can give an estimate of how many people purchased your book last year, and also over the last 10-15 years? Thank you.


NO & NO!  But good try Mr. Paranoid Polygrapher!   ;D
Posted by Doug Williams
 - Nov 14, 2013, 05:39 PM
Quote from: quickfix on Nov 14, 2013, 05:02 PMDoug, interesting that you completely ignored my allegation that your contention of having conducted 30,000+ exams in your "career" is bullshit.  Obviously you didn't, so you ignore it and maybe it'll go away.

You will not see any post of mine referring to a polygraph instrument as a "lie detector";  there is no such thing.  It is a diagnostic tool used to monitor and record changes in physiology to applied stimuli.

Nervous reactions= deception?   Show us all where I've said that on this website.  You can't, any more than you can show that I've ever said polygraph is 100% accurate, which it is not.  No reputable polygraph school teaches that "nervous reactions equals deception".  It just goes to show how poor your own training was.  You're a relic of the past, long since forgotten, like the old Soviet Union.  But please keep selling your wares, so we can keep catching the imbeciles who try to use your "tried and true" CM methods.


I should know better, but here goes - I never said I ran 30,000 tests - and you can't present an argument for the use of the polygraph as a "lie detector" so it is a waste of time to respond to you.  But I thank you - at least you haven't forgotten me.  And if you and your cohorts are so good at "catching" people who use my techniques, why go to so much trouble getting their names?   ;)
Posted by John3319208
 - Nov 14, 2013, 05:05 PM
(Same John as above)

Thanks for your response Doug. I appreciate your candor and your work. Can give an estimate of how many people purchased your book last year, and also over the last 10-15 years? Thank you.
Posted by quickfix
 - Nov 14, 2013, 05:02 PM
Doug, interesting that you completely ignored my allegation that your contention of having conducted 30,000+ exams in your "career" is bullshit.  Obviously you didn't, so you ignore it and maybe it'll go away.

You will not see any post of mine referring to a polygraph instrument as a "lie detector";  there is no such thing.  It is a diagnostic tool used to monitor and record changes in physiology to applied stimuli.

Nervous reactions= deception?   Show us all where I've said that on this website.  You can't, any more than you can show that I've ever said polygraph is 100% accurate, which it is not.  No reputable polygraph school teaches that "nervous reactions equals deception".  It just goes to show how poor your own training was.  You're a relic of the past, long since forgotten, like the old Soviet Union.  But please keep selling your wares, so we can keep catching the imbeciles who try to use your "tried and true" CM methods.
Posted by Doug Williams
 - Nov 14, 2013, 04:59 PM
Quote from: John331189 on Nov 14, 2013, 04:50 PMDoug Williams,

How far do these 4900 records go? Did everybody that ever bought your book end up on this list that is being sent around? I guess I'm wondering how far back your records go. If somebody bought your book 6 (or 8 or 12) years ago, should they assume their name is on the list? Thanks.


I honestly don't know where they got that number, who is on the list, or how far back it goes - I can only quote from the article:

["There was serious effort put into this list but it turned out to be a whole lot of nothing," said one federal security official with knowledge of the overall effort who asked not to be named for fear of retaliation.]

Posted by John331189
 - Nov 14, 2013, 04:50 PM
Doug Williams,

How far do these 4900 records go? Did everybody that ever bought your book end up on this list that is being sent around? I guess I'm wondering how far back your records go. If somebody bought your book 6 (or 8 or 12) years ago, should they assume their name is on the list? Thanks.
Posted by Doug Williams
 - Nov 14, 2013, 04:39 PM
Quote from: quickfix on Nov 14, 2013, 04:12 PMYou're confusing bitterness with sarcasm!  Actually, I have made arguments against Doug Williams' nonsense in the past.  He would have you believe that he "single-handedly" brought down the polygraph profession, which couldn't be further from the truth.  He enjoyed his "15 minutes of fame" almost three decades ago, and ended nothing.  He was a local yokel police examiner, claiming to have conducted 30,000+ polygraph exams;  this might be true if he did 10 exams a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, but he didn't, and his credibility is zero.  EPPA only changed polygraph rules for the private sector, not nation-wide, so he brought down nothing.  There are more federal agencies using polygraph than ever before.  What he does do is use this website to self-promote his books, DVDs, and other anti-polygraph snake oil.  The suckers who bought his crap and subsequently got caught in "Operation Liebuster" deserve their fate.  They got what they paid for.

P.S. I'll keep you guessing as to my gender.


You have never made an "argument" - many ad hominem attacks, but never an argument.  But now is your opportunity.  Make your "argument" against my "nonsense".  Make your case and prove that the polygraph really is a lie detector!  Prove to me that the nervous "reactions" to relevant questions ALWAYS indicate deception.  You have the floor, and I wait with bated breath to be swayed by the eloquence of your "argument"..... ::)
Posted by quickfix
 - Nov 14, 2013, 04:12 PM
You're confusing bitterness with sarcasm!  Actually, I have made arguments against Doug Williams' nonsense in the past.  He would have you believe that he "single-handedly" brought down the polygraph profession, which couldn't be further from the truth.  He enjoyed his "15 minutes of fame" almost three decades ago, and ended nothing.  He was a local yokel police examiner, claiming to have conducted 30,000+ polygraph exams;  this might be true if he did 10 exams a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, but he didn't, and his credibility is zero.  EPPA only changed polygraph rules for the private sector, not nation-wide, so he brought down nothing.  There are more federal agencies using polygraph than ever before.  What he does do is use this website to self-promote his books, DVDs, and other anti-polygraph snake oil.  The suckers who bought his crap and subsequently got caught in "Operation Liebuster" deserve their fate.  They got what they paid for.

P.S. I'll keep you guessing as to my gender.
Posted by Ex Member
 - Nov 14, 2013, 03:50 PM
Quote from: quickfix on Nov 14, 2013, 03:06 PMIt is FOOLISH and DANGEROUS to listen to anything you have to say.

Sell your Shamwow product on Amazon.com 
Quickfix, as usual, you do not proffer any kind of counter-argument beyond jejune insults.  May I ask if you are female?--you have that rejected spinster bitterness air about you.
Posted by quickfix
 - Nov 14, 2013, 03:06 PM
It is FOOLISH and DANGEROUS to listen to anything you have to say.

Sell your Shamwow product on Amazon.com