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Posted by xenonman
 - Jun 08, 2013, 06:58 AM
Quote from: nAuDia PeNKov on Feb 22, 2013, 07:55 PMJobseeker99, sorry for your misfortune, but the exact same thing happened to me a while ago.  Allow me to speak from experience.  I was DENIED CLEARANCE from an agency because I failed my polygraphs.  It was not a suitability denial, which most people get.  I was falsely accused of crime, being a spy, hiding things, and using countermeasures.  So I was denied based on the "Personal Conduct" Adjudication Guideline (Google it, there are 13 Adjudication Guidelines for U.S. Gov Security Clearances).  I appealed, and for a couple years my "cleared career" was in ruin.  My appeals got denied of course.  On the positive side, my polygraphs yielded no admissions, I had a clean criminal record, no debt, no foreign contacts, no IT or security violations, nothing at all.  Even though an Incident Report was on my DOD JPAS clearance file because of this mishap and my clearance was in perpetual limbo, I was eventually granted clearance from another agency who adjudicated me for TS/SCI which included reviewing what happened in my previous polys, my appeals, my background (totally clean) a full background check, etc.  My agency saw that I was a good person and that the poly was junk and I got cleared and got the job.  Of course, I was screwed for a couple years prior because of those stupid polys. 

Read through the old threads on this forum.  There are many stories like mines.  Including the story of George Maschke, the owner of this site who had his career ruined by false polygraph accusations.  It is a roadblock that may take a year or two to overcome, but you can get your career back on track.  From this point forward, I would avoid taking a polygraph at all costs.  If a job requires it, find another job.

TO HELL WITH THE POLYGRAPH!

How can one appeal their  rejection, since rejected applicants usually aren't provided with any reasons for the termination of their application process :(.  At the CIA, as i understand it, polygraph results aren't made available under the Privacy Act.
Posted by xenonman
 - Jun 08, 2013, 06:54 AM
Quote from: George_Maschke on Feb 22, 2013, 11:30 AMI don't think anyone reading this forum could say with certitude whether your security clearance denial was based on the polygraph. Even those who pass are typically left in doubt about the outcome when they leave the polygraph suite. If the denial was based solely on the polygraph, one would think that it should not have taken so long to make a determination.

I don't think your denial necessarily means that you would never be granted a security clearance, but the denial will definitely come up when a background check is run pursuant to a security clearance investigation.

The agencies generally will not provide a specific reason for refusal to hire.  Why are people so convinced that they must have "failed" the polygraph.  As I remember, the operator never says anything so definitive at the end of the exam.
Posted by Jobseeker99
 - Feb 26, 2013, 08:06 AM
nAuDia PeNKov,

That is great news and congrats.  See my above post about waiting for the documents they supposedly will be sending me.

I'm curious to know how you got another opportunity to get a clearance considering getting one chance is hard enough.  Also, how did you go about receiving it?  When asked if you were denied, what exactly did you say to them?  How did they feel about that and did they simply understand and say..  Let's still see what we can do?  Anything you can tell me would really be good as I don't know if I have a future in this area (Washington DC area) any longer because of this. 

Also, does a basic background check bring your denial up?
Posted by Jobseeker99
 - Feb 26, 2013, 08:00 AM
Quote from: George_Maschke on Feb 22, 2013, 11:30 AMI don't think anyone reading this forum could say with certitude whether your security clearance denial was based on the polygraph. Even those who pass are typically left in doubt about the outcome when they leave the polygraph suite. If the denial was based solely on the polygraph, one would think that it should not have taken so long to make a determination.

I don't think your denial necessarily means that you would never be granted a security clearance, but the denial will definitely come up when a background check is run pursuant to a security clearance investigation.

I understand George, thank you for answering my questions.  I suppose once I receive the document telling me exactly why I was denied, I will be able to proceed from that point. 

nAuDia PeNKov, says that he was given a Top Secret clearance from another agency.  That is great news and is something I hope to have an opportunity again some day to get.  I was hoping more people would have chimed in on my post to tell if they too received a TS Clearance even though they were denied by another agency.
Posted by nAuDia PeNKov
 - Feb 22, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jobseeker99, sorry for your misfortune, but the exact same thing happened to me a while ago.  Allow me to speak from experience.  I was DENIED CLEARANCE from an agency because I failed my polygraphs.  It was not a suitability denial, which most people get.  I was falsely accused of crime, being a spy, hiding things, and using countermeasures.  So I was denied based on the "Personal Conduct" Adjudication Guideline (Google it, there are 13 Adjudication Guidelines for U.S. Gov Security Clearances).  I appealed, and for a couple years my "cleared career" was in ruin.  My appeals got denied of course.  On the positive side, my polygraphs yielded no admissions, I had a clean criminal record, no debt, no foreign contacts, no IT or security violations, nothing at all.  Even though an Incident Report was on my DOD JPAS clearance file because of this mishap and my clearance was in perpetual limbo, I was eventually granted clearance from another agency who adjudicated me for TS/SCI which included reviewing what happened in my previous polys, my appeals, my background (totally clean) a full background check, etc.  My agency saw that I was a good person and that the poly was junk and I got cleared and got the job.  Of course, I was screwed for a couple years prior because of those stupid polys. 

Read through the old threads on this forum.  There are many stories like mines.  Including the story of George Maschke, the owner of this site who had his career ruined by false polygraph accusations.  It is a roadblock that may take a year or two to overcome, but you can get your career back on track.  From this point forward, I would avoid taking a polygraph at all costs.  If a job requires it, find another job.

TO HELL WITH THE POLYGRAPH!
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Feb 22, 2013, 11:30 AM
I don't think anyone reading this forum could say with certitude whether your security clearance denial was based on the polygraph. Even those who pass are typically left in doubt about the outcome when they leave the polygraph suite. If the denial was based solely on the polygraph, one would think that it should not have taken so long to make a determination.

I don't think your denial necessarily means that you would never be granted a security clearance, but the denial will definitely come up when a background check is run pursuant to a security clearance investigation.
Posted by Jobseeker99
 - Feb 20, 2013, 09:47 AM
Well, I have nothing to lose at this point.  My life must change.  I sat the poly several months ago twice and both times, I supposedly failed the poly.  It took 19 months for me to just receive word that I was 'disapproved' and of course, I have to wait on a document to tell me why.  Regardless of what the document says, I now have a permanent record and I am pretty sure, can never get a clearance???? 

If someone who knows some facts could chime in here, I would appreciate it.  Did I get disapproved only due to failing the poly? 
Am I correct that i can not get any other type of clearance? 
If a simple background check is run on me, will this come up?

I answered ABSOLUTELY everything honestly when I sat the poly.  I figured it would have been worse to lie and hope I could beat it.  My heart just never went down either time I sat it so that is what I guess caused me to fail it.  Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.