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Posted by quickfix
- Apr 14, 2022, 02:56 PMQuoteBut, you know, I think the machine can be beat with proper mental training.One thing is clear: you certainly don't have the mental capacity.
Posted by nancy kilian
- Apr 14, 2022, 02:32 PMMy encounter with the polygraph was five years ago. I did not want to admit I had used some drugs while in school. I did some research and learned about breathing techniques. It was also suggested that women wear high heels to the exam and during questioning force your toes into the front of the shoes. Things did not go well. There was a pad I had to sit on and I was asked to remove my shoes. When the question about drug usage was asked I answered no. I thought my breathing was fine but I was shown after the test a surge in my blood pressure exactly at the point the question on drugs was asked. The examiner told me that past drug use would not in itself have disqualified me for the job. A drug screening would have been part of a pre-employment physical examination anyway. She also told me she knew about the high heel pumps countermeasure. "I read those web sites, too." she said. I was advised to answer all questions truthfully on any future polygraphs. I was told that countermeasures will work for a small number of people. But the newer polygraphs have motion sensors in the seat and arms of the chair. You have to sit perfectly still. My examination was ended early because of the significant rise in cardiocuff pressure that gave me up for the drug question. But, you know, I think the machine can be beat with proper mental training.
Posted by pants
- Aug 30, 2020, 02:24 PMI didn't lied (though I did employ cm and pass), though I know of at least half a dozen people that lied on their "test" and passed (anywhere from watching porn to hiring escorts to one guy doing hard drugs, though he was caught on the ua). They all brag about how easy it is to pass.
Posted by hey
- Dec 08, 2015, 11:26 PMhey if even around i have one coming up,,, i heard wearing tight sneakers helps too something about the blood presearu
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 22, 2013, 07:46 AMQuote from: cesium_133 on Oct 10, 2012, 02:44 AMCuriouskat, I was on federal probation (and freely admit it) when I was poly'd.
You were on federal probation, and were nonetheless able to obtain a security clearance? Very impressive!
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 22, 2013, 07:42 AMQuote from: i lied and beat the poly on Sep 11, 2012, 11:20 PMUgh, It is always the "Pro-Polygraph" community that argues that nobody can beat their machine, that their magical machine is infallible. I hate to tell you this but once people know how the polygraph process works, it is easy to beat. Controlled breathing is simply breathing normally (not breathing too fast or slow as a person lying or with something to hide may do). A polygrapher can't tell you to "stop breathing normally" as that would not make any since.I'm always glad to learn of more incidences of applicants successfully "beating" the polygraph, particularly at the f*cking CIA.
Once you know how the polygraph bullshit game works, you know that without a confession the worst thing a polygrapher can concluded is that you are "suspected" of something. Polygraphers want confessions. I didn't confess. And I wasn't scared of the poly because I convinced myself it was junk and didn't worry about all the naughty things I've done in the past.
If you do you research, you will learn that the polygraph does not work on those educated by it. Especially closed-minded individuals like myself who also do not believe in voodoo, Ouija board, magic spells, crystal balls, psychic readings, ghosts, or other nonsense...including a magical machine that can read your inner thoughts.
The polygraph is nothing but a crappy tool that measures your sweat, blood pressure, breathing, and other things that doctors can also measure on you in a hospital. Good for it, the polygraph knows when my breathing changes and when I burp. So what? If you relax, don't confess, educate yourself on this stupid game, and keep your mind pre-occupied with exciting thoughts, you can beat the poly.
And if you are deemed to be "suspected" of deception or something stupid, it is probably because the polygrapher is pissed that he/she couldn't coerce a confession from you. Suspicions mean nothing and are probably inevitable, as the polygraphers have to ding so many people for one reason or another to keep their stats up so people think the polygraph actually works. Suspicions without evidence don't even hold water in traffic court.
It is junk. I've beaten the poly for a top secret alphabet-soup agency and I'll do it again, and again, and again...
Posted by jim
- Oct 21, 2012, 06:45 PMI took two poly's and failed both with biting tongue. The first I missed one, the second it was 2 questions. Now they are going to give my accuser one. Hope they fail also. That will give me an out.
Posted by curiouskat
- Oct 12, 2012, 07:57 PMSee, I figure that I'd be the absolute worst candidate for any kind of polygraph situation. If I even ask myself a typical relevant question (say, "have you ever smoked marijuana") and I think a lie (no), I feel a tightness in my chest.
I think my fascination with the polygraph probably has more to do with the fascination of being able to modify your own physiological responses to stuff. I should try yoga lol ;-)
I think my fascination with the polygraph probably has more to do with the fascination of being able to modify your own physiological responses to stuff. I should try yoga lol ;-)
Posted by cesium_133
- Oct 10, 2012, 02:44 AMCuriouskat, I was on federal probation (and freely admit it) when I was poly'd. Also was CVSA'd twice. You always get a pre-interrogation interview, and you always will (according to the polyboy) "have trouble" with at least one question. They'll pick one, and usually won't show you the screen/paper tracing...
My solution? No admissions, no explanatory statements (just gives them more to ask about), no nothing. That's post-test. Same goes for pre-test.
I submit some CM's work better than others. Mental CM's give you some advantage over physical because they can't be caught- period. Physical CM's have their place, too, but... read TLBTLD, know it, and know yourself and your physiological responses to both CQ's and RQ's before you go full guns for a physical CM strategy... imho...
...remembering that the polygaffer is not your pal or someone on your side. At best, they're someone looking for admissions. At worst, they're out to disqualify you from whatever you're there for, twist your words into double-helixes, or glean info for legal or other purposes...
No comment on my success rate for beating polys
However, calmness, blanking your mind (esp during RQ's), and pumping up your reactions to CQ's has, ah, been of assistance to me. That, and knowing the whole process and all its merdum tauri (Latin), was a large help. We fear what we don't know a lot more than what we do know.
One thing I have done that isn't much spoken of is the tactic of answering CQ's ("Have you ever lied to make yourself appear better or savvier to someone else?" was one I had once) both honestly (which is a yes) -and- augmenting my response anyway. It must have played with that guy's mind something fierce. He wanted a lie of no, of course, but I was flat truthful with him. However, I still realized that I needed to augment, so I did. And I passed, with a very half-hearted try of "trouble" on a side issue. Bing bang boom.
..."If you know your enemy (polygrapher) as yourself, you will be victorious in 100 out of 100 battles."- Sun Tzu. Know TLBTLD. Know yourself. If you do, what others have used is almost immaterial, unless you're facing some similar situation calling for an unorthodox CM...
My solution? No admissions, no explanatory statements (just gives them more to ask about), no nothing. That's post-test. Same goes for pre-test.
I submit some CM's work better than others. Mental CM's give you some advantage over physical because they can't be caught- period. Physical CM's have their place, too, but... read TLBTLD, know it, and know yourself and your physiological responses to both CQ's and RQ's before you go full guns for a physical CM strategy... imho...
...remembering that the polygaffer is not your pal or someone on your side. At best, they're someone looking for admissions. At worst, they're out to disqualify you from whatever you're there for, twist your words into double-helixes, or glean info for legal or other purposes...
No comment on my success rate for beating polys
However, calmness, blanking your mind (esp during RQ's), and pumping up your reactions to CQ's has, ah, been of assistance to me. That, and knowing the whole process and all its merdum tauri (Latin), was a large help. We fear what we don't know a lot more than what we do know.One thing I have done that isn't much spoken of is the tactic of answering CQ's ("Have you ever lied to make yourself appear better or savvier to someone else?" was one I had once) both honestly (which is a yes) -and- augmenting my response anyway. It must have played with that guy's mind something fierce. He wanted a lie of no, of course, but I was flat truthful with him. However, I still realized that I needed to augment, so I did. And I passed, with a very half-hearted try of "trouble" on a side issue. Bing bang boom.
..."If you know your enemy (polygrapher) as yourself, you will be victorious in 100 out of 100 battles."- Sun Tzu. Know TLBTLD. Know yourself. If you do, what others have used is almost immaterial, unless you're facing some similar situation calling for an unorthodox CM...
Posted by nosaynosay
- Sep 14, 2012, 01:38 PMWhy would he "rat" on these governemnt officials when he very clearly lumped himself into the same category?
Posted by Kesha
- Sep 13, 2012, 06:26 PMMy background is so dirty that I will never tell on myself. And I know many others, federal agents, intel officers, people who wipe the president's ass, who have dirty backgrounds too.
I have no respect for corrupt government officials. Can you identify the people or would you be willing to report these people?
I have no respect for corrupt government officials. Can you identify the people or would you be willing to report these people?
Posted by stefano
- Sep 12, 2012, 12:23 PMQuoteThe new computerized models are nearly 100% accurate or so case studies have shownPlease cite these case studies. Actually, there is no difference between an analog or digital instrument save for a computer program that scores the charts for knotheads who don't know how.
Posted by i lied and beat the poly
- Sep 11, 2012, 11:32 PMI really don't see why people swear that a machine can read your mind? Really people?
Yes the poly can tell when your breathing changes or heart rate changes. But what if your breathing and heart rate stays the same, like if you are thinking exciting thoughts the whole time? Neither the polygrapher nor the poly will ever know what you are thinking unless you tell them, so keep your mouth shut.
My background is so dirty that I will never tell on myself. And I know many others, federal agents, intel officers, people who wipe the president's ass, who have dirty backgrounds too. But did the poly catch them? Nope. Because we all laugh at that stupid machine.
Thank you AntiPolygraph.org for TLBTLD and all the great info on this site. I laugh at anyone who makes a career out of administering polygraphs, you are the real bad guys. Get a real job.
Yes the poly can tell when your breathing changes or heart rate changes. But what if your breathing and heart rate stays the same, like if you are thinking exciting thoughts the whole time? Neither the polygrapher nor the poly will ever know what you are thinking unless you tell them, so keep your mouth shut.
My background is so dirty that I will never tell on myself. And I know many others, federal agents, intel officers, people who wipe the president's ass, who have dirty backgrounds too. But did the poly catch them? Nope. Because we all laugh at that stupid machine.
Thank you AntiPolygraph.org for TLBTLD and all the great info on this site. I laugh at anyone who makes a career out of administering polygraphs, you are the real bad guys. Get a real job.
Posted by i lied and beat the poly
- Sep 11, 2012, 11:20 PMUgh, It is always the "Pro-Polygraph" community that argues that nobody can beat their machine, that their magical machine is infallible. I hate to tell you this but once people know how the polygraph process works, it is easy to beat. Controlled breathing is simply breathing normally (not breathing too fast or slow as a person lying or with something to hide may do). A polygrapher can't tell you to "stop breathing normally" as that would not make any since.
Once you know how the polygraph bullshit game works, you know that without a confession the worst thing a polygrapher can concluded is that you are "suspected" of something. Polygraphers want confessions. I didn't confess. And I wasn't scared of the poly because I convinced myself it was junk and didn't worry about all the naughty things I've done in the past.
If you do you research, you will learn that the polygraph does not work on those educated by it. Especially closed-minded individuals like myself who also do not believe in voodoo, Ouija board, magic spells, crystal balls, psychic readings, ghosts, or other nonsense...including a magical machine that can read your inner thoughts.
The polygraph is nothing but a crappy tool that measures your sweat, blood pressure, breathing, and other things that doctors can also measure on you in a hospital. Good for it, the polygraph knows when my breathing changes and when I burp. So what? If you relax, don't confess, educate yourself on this stupid game, and keep your mind pre-occupied with exciting thoughts, you can beat the poly.
And if you are deemed to be "suspected" of deception or something stupid, it is probably because the polygrapher is pissed that he/she couldn't coerce a confession from you. Suspicions mean nothing and are probably inevitable, as the polygraphers have to ding so many people for one reason or another to keep their stats up so people think the polygraph actually works. Suspicions without evidence don't even hold water in traffic court.
It is junk. I've beaten the poly for a top secret alphabet-soup agency and I'll do it again, and again, and again...
Once you know how the polygraph bullshit game works, you know that without a confession the worst thing a polygrapher can concluded is that you are "suspected" of something. Polygraphers want confessions. I didn't confess. And I wasn't scared of the poly because I convinced myself it was junk and didn't worry about all the naughty things I've done in the past.
If you do you research, you will learn that the polygraph does not work on those educated by it. Especially closed-minded individuals like myself who also do not believe in voodoo, Ouija board, magic spells, crystal balls, psychic readings, ghosts, or other nonsense...including a magical machine that can read your inner thoughts.
The polygraph is nothing but a crappy tool that measures your sweat, blood pressure, breathing, and other things that doctors can also measure on you in a hospital. Good for it, the polygraph knows when my breathing changes and when I burp. So what? If you relax, don't confess, educate yourself on this stupid game, and keep your mind pre-occupied with exciting thoughts, you can beat the poly.
And if you are deemed to be "suspected" of deception or something stupid, it is probably because the polygrapher is pissed that he/she couldn't coerce a confession from you. Suspicions mean nothing and are probably inevitable, as the polygraphers have to ding so many people for one reason or another to keep their stats up so people think the polygraph actually works. Suspicions without evidence don't even hold water in traffic court.
It is junk. I've beaten the poly for a top secret alphabet-soup agency and I'll do it again, and again, and again...
Posted by Ugh
- Sep 11, 2012, 09:02 PMYou know, as I read this thread, I couldn't help but think that the person who wrote in about beating the polygraph was full of crap. The new computerized models are nearly 100% accurate or so case studies have shown and having seen nothing to discriminate such, I have to agree.
1.) I had my own personal run-in with a polygraph test just over a year ago where my ex-wife accused me of some pretty horrid stuff and I freely vouched to take one without second thought.
2.) There is no such thing as controlled breathing as the senior analyst could see my breathing and even warned once of seeing a possible such event on the machine as I was in fact calming myself after the first of three sets of questions. No counters were needed as I had nothing to hide.
3.) The tester for the state investigators was satisfied with the results and after a brief recess to do whatever, came in and gave an 'all done' and such.
1.) I had my own personal run-in with a polygraph test just over a year ago where my ex-wife accused me of some pretty horrid stuff and I freely vouched to take one without second thought.
2.) There is no such thing as controlled breathing as the senior analyst could see my breathing and even warned once of seeing a possible such event on the machine as I was in fact calming myself after the first of three sets of questions. No counters were needed as I had nothing to hide.
3.) The tester for the state investigators was satisfied with the results and after a brief recess to do whatever, came in and gave an 'all done' and such.