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Posted by noblue
- Sep 06, 2012, 08:12 PMI can guarantee that none of these agencies will recruit people who want to be james bond/jason bourne.
Both of you sound like you're full of it to me.
Both of you sound like you're full of it to me.
Posted by CIAreject
- Sep 03, 2012, 12:51 PMHey NSAreject,
Does the NSA hire engineers for "technical espionage"? Let's just say, hypothetically, that I have engineering degrees and experience, trained in security technologies (physical, network, cyber, etc.), IT certifications, and more stuff. I want to get into the field of information operations, network attacks, creating planting spy devices ("bugs") in foreign embassies, breaking into locks and circumventing alarm systems, R&D in those areas, and stuff like that. Bascially, I want to be a technical James Bond / Jason Bourne type. Oh, and I have TS/SCI despite being duped by the CIA years ago.
Any tech-spy jobs available at NSA, or other agencies?
My current job is more counter-intel and I won't get to do intel here.
Does the NSA hire engineers for "technical espionage"? Let's just say, hypothetically, that I have engineering degrees and experience, trained in security technologies (physical, network, cyber, etc.), IT certifications, and more stuff. I want to get into the field of information operations, network attacks, creating planting spy devices ("bugs") in foreign embassies, breaking into locks and circumventing alarm systems, R&D in those areas, and stuff like that. Bascially, I want to be a technical James Bond / Jason Bourne type. Oh, and I have TS/SCI despite being duped by the CIA years ago.
Any tech-spy jobs available at NSA, or other agencies?
My current job is more counter-intel and I won't get to do intel here.
Posted by NSAreject
- Sep 03, 2012, 11:26 AMQuote from: CIAreject on Aug 31, 2012, 04:18 PMSo you weren't really rejected. You actually worked there for years, and then they decided to get rid of you for alcohol problems so they gave you a buyout?
I really want to do intel and plan to give NSA or CIA another try in a few years. I was so close to getting into CIA and thought I was a shoe in after getting that conditional job offer. But the polygraphers had other plans for me. Oh well. I have a good job and career now. But I still dream of being a covert spy of some sort.
It was an Agency-wide buyout and had nothing personally to do with me. I left under my own will. Back in the 80s, I was initially rejected, buy got cleared after I appealed the decision.
Posted by CIAreject
- Sep 01, 2012, 10:07 AMQuote from: stefano on Aug 31, 2012, 05:08 PMQuoteBut I still dream of being a covert spy of some sort.That's fine until you are caught, tortured and killed and the secretary disavows all knowledge of your actions.
That would fine with me. The thought of death doesn't scare me. I'm a young single guy with no kids and have always been somewhat depressed and a social outcast, so if I do ever manage to get through the IC screening and become a spy and get tortured and killed in the line of duty, I think it would be a pretty cool way to die! In fact, this even has me more excited about the job. I'd rather die that way than of being some fat old guy with high cholesterol and having a heart attack. I'm more scared of getting a girl pregnant than I am of dying. Spys are cool!
Only I can't do the HUMINT stuff, I'm not that social. I'm a technical geek. My background is in IT/engineering with spy devices, weapon systems, RF frequencies, computers, electronics, and other geeky stuff. I wonder if the CIA or NSA will hire a young "technical spy" guy into the Clandestine Services (NCS) who is devoted to his country and is willing to die to protect the agency's secrets. I mean, somebody has to design the spying gear for us to use. Somebody has to hack into Russia's computer systems and plant bugs in the FSB buildings. Somebody has to design a bomb to connect to Al Qaeda members' vehicles so they blow up when the car cranks up. LOL. Man that career sounds so much fun! I want another chance, hire me NSA/CIA!
:-(
Posted by stefano
- Aug 31, 2012, 05:08 PMQuoteBut I still dream of being a covert spy of some sort.That's fine until you are caught, tortured and killed and the secretary disavows all knowledge of your actions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Buckley
Posted by CIAreject
- Aug 31, 2012, 04:18 PMSo you weren't really rejected. You actually worked there for years, and then they decided to get rid of you for alcohol problems so they gave you a buyout?
I really want to do intel and plan to give NSA or CIA another try in a few years. I was so close to getting into CIA and thought I was a shoe in after getting that conditional job offer. But the polygraphers had other plans for me. Oh well. I have a good job and career now. But I still dream of being a covert spy of some sort.
I really want to do intel and plan to give NSA or CIA another try in a few years. I was so close to getting into CIA and thought I was a shoe in after getting that conditional job offer. But the polygraphers had other plans for me. Oh well. I have a good job and career now. But I still dream of being a covert spy of some sort.
Posted by NSAreject
- Aug 31, 2012, 09:06 AMBy nature, NSA and CIA employees are "voyeurs and peeping toms" of sorts without boundaries, so they are naturally drawn to this type of work.
Posted by NSAreject
- Aug 30, 2012, 06:41 PMThanks for replying. I worked there for a number of years, and took the Eagle Alliance buyout a few years ago - I was given a year's salary to leave. If one has any issues, the NSA will "get you" during a change from contractor to Government, or vice-versa. I was going through a major depression after my remaining parent passed away, and drinking too much. The NSA used to follow me home, probably suspecting DUI, which I wasn't doing. The night before my 5-year CI poly update, they sat down the block, probably to see if I was going to make a trip to the local liquor store. Sometimes upon entering Ft. Meade they would randomly seach my car, and others, probably looking for alcohol. They were very amaturish, driving the typical FBI-type black sedan. No joke. I ditched them one time - LOL! Now, they probably know who I am, but I no longer care.
Also, there was a suicide in the OPS2A Building - a Navy guy jumped down the center of 12 flights of stairs and hit the basement floor, after receiving a Dear. John letter from his girlfriend. Now, there is a memorial where he landed. A couple was caught have sex on the top-floor staircase of the OPS-1 Building. It doesn't surprise me about your CIA and other stories. Affairs at the NSA are quite common, too.
Also, there was a suicide in the OPS2A Building - a Navy guy jumped down the center of 12 flights of stairs and hit the basement floor, after receiving a Dear. John letter from his girlfriend. Now, there is a memorial where he landed. A couple was caught have sex on the top-floor staircase of the OPS-1 Building. It doesn't surprise me about your CIA and other stories. Affairs at the NSA are quite common, too.
Posted by CIAreject
- Aug 30, 2012, 06:04 PMSo NSAreject, I assume by your screenname that you were rejected by the NSA, but you are saying that you also worked for the NSA?! Can you please explain that and what recruitment/hiring/firing process you went through?
I almost got into the CIA a couple years ago but was booted after polys. The CIA people I have met are also pretty sick. The women are all slutty, and the the guys are either perverts or faggots (I guess that is their diversity recruiting, lol). In the FBI, I hear of special agents being caught with child porn, popped with DUIs, getting in legal trouble, and all kinds of suitability issues. I hear of military people being arrested all the time. I work with some military folks near DC and it is illegal to carry switchblade knives, but one military guy I work with carries a big switchblade and knows it is illegal and doesn't care, he gladly shows it off to us. He has TS clearance by the way.
The whole government is corrupt.
I almost got into the CIA a couple years ago but was booted after polys. The CIA people I have met are also pretty sick. The women are all slutty, and the the guys are either perverts or faggots (I guess that is their diversity recruiting, lol). In the FBI, I hear of special agents being caught with child porn, popped with DUIs, getting in legal trouble, and all kinds of suitability issues. I hear of military people being arrested all the time. I work with some military folks near DC and it is illegal to carry switchblade knives, but one military guy I work with carries a big switchblade and knows it is illegal and doesn't care, he gladly shows it off to us. He has TS clearance by the way.
The whole government is corrupt.
Posted by NSAreject
- Aug 30, 2012, 05:50 PMHi,
I haven't posted here in years, but I bet that the same dysfunction remains at the NSA. I used to work for the NSA in Z and T Groups in the OPS-1 and R&E Buildings. I had a lot of good friends at the NSA, but we all had issues with dysfunctional backgrounds of various forms of abuse. Abuse victims are very good at keeping secrets. Glad that I worked through mine. As for example, our secretary back in Z Group wrote a letter about her Father, who used to work at the NSA, about forcing her to give him oral sex until age 16, and left it on her desk overnight for all to see. A former software engineer in Z Group was sobbing at her desk, because she used to witness her Father physically beating her Mother, when she was young. My therapist at the NSA wanted me to call her after each time my wife and I had sex. My polygrapher tried to get me to talk about my Internet activities, by claiming he masturbated to Internet porn. Very sick stuff. Very dysfunctional environment, which I am glad to be no longer part of. Also, there are a lot of passive-aggressive employees at the NSA - very early one morning the deputy-workcenter chief came in and threw his chair at the chief's empty desk screaming, "get the fuck out of my face!". We were too scared to call the NSA Police, but he was later removed from the workcenter.
Reading through the various posts, I am still sickened at the behavior of the polygraphers who obviously post here. FYI - all derogatory information collected during the polygraph is sent back to the DoD for evaluation. I will be glad to answer any questions, as long as they don't point to classified information. The employees' relationships with the NSA are incestuous - it's one big sick family.
I haven't posted here in years, but I bet that the same dysfunction remains at the NSA. I used to work for the NSA in Z and T Groups in the OPS-1 and R&E Buildings. I had a lot of good friends at the NSA, but we all had issues with dysfunctional backgrounds of various forms of abuse. Abuse victims are very good at keeping secrets. Glad that I worked through mine. As for example, our secretary back in Z Group wrote a letter about her Father, who used to work at the NSA, about forcing her to give him oral sex until age 16, and left it on her desk overnight for all to see. A former software engineer in Z Group was sobbing at her desk, because she used to witness her Father physically beating her Mother, when she was young. My therapist at the NSA wanted me to call her after each time my wife and I had sex. My polygrapher tried to get me to talk about my Internet activities, by claiming he masturbated to Internet porn. Very sick stuff. Very dysfunctional environment, which I am glad to be no longer part of. Also, there are a lot of passive-aggressive employees at the NSA - very early one morning the deputy-workcenter chief came in and threw his chair at the chief's empty desk screaming, "get the fuck out of my face!". We were too scared to call the NSA Police, but he was later removed from the workcenter.
Reading through the various posts, I am still sickened at the behavior of the polygraphers who obviously post here. FYI - all derogatory information collected during the polygraph is sent back to the DoD for evaluation. I will be glad to answer any questions, as long as they don't point to classified information. The employees' relationships with the NSA are incestuous - it's one big sick family.