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Posted by Bill_Brown
- Jul 20, 2012, 03:07 AM "I did the crime so i have to pay the price."
I can respect you for accepting responsibility. I am sure you can complete your probation, and possibly petition the court to allow you to have children IF you can obtain some type of statement from a psychologist attesting to your being at low or no risk to children. The court could require monitoring your child or children to insure their safety. The consequences for actions are sometimes severe, but in this case they are there to protect children. I do wish you good fortune in your quest.
I can respect you for accepting responsibility. I am sure you can complete your probation, and possibly petition the court to allow you to have children IF you can obtain some type of statement from a psychologist attesting to your being at low or no risk to children. The court could require monitoring your child or children to insure their safety. The consequences for actions are sometimes severe, but in this case they are there to protect children. I do wish you good fortune in your quest.
Posted by nvm
- Jul 19, 2012, 10:15 PMsorry long day. i meant i went back to the sentencing judge to ask if i can have it expunged after my probation is up.
Posted by nvm
- Jul 19, 2012, 10:12 PMtried to have it expunged, but the judge said no. 'if it was a difference between a 17 year old and a 16 year old, i'd agree. the difference here is that you were an adult, and she was a child. even if the ends are true does not justify the means." had to look up my sentencing paperwork. sorry took so long work has been hell. 
i wasn't in high school at the time of the offense and she was. graduated early, but that's besides the point. also he is correct it is not illegal to be a pedophile or a hebaphile, as long as you don't act upon it. but i think i hijacked this thread. my fault. originally saying that i have never heard of a polygraph test done where they didn't hook you up while asking you questions. that's why i think the original poster was lying about the polygraph.
i did the crime so i have to pay the price. i'm an honorable person and i have to pay this back at all costs. wanna hear something else messed up. if we ever have children the state can and will take our child away.
i wasn't in high school at the time of the offense and she was. graduated early, but that's besides the point. also he is correct it is not illegal to be a pedophile or a hebaphile, as long as you don't act upon it. but i think i hijacked this thread. my fault. originally saying that i have never heard of a polygraph test done where they didn't hook you up while asking you questions. that's why i think the original poster was lying about the polygraph. i did the crime so i have to pay the price. i'm an honorable person and i have to pay this back at all costs. wanna hear something else messed up. if we ever have children the state can and will take our child away.
Posted by stefano
- Jul 17, 2012, 11:13 PMQuoteI would think you would side with us on this one.It takes two to tango.Friend, I am with you all the way as far as the abuses of the polygraph are concerned, but I am a firm believer in being a decent person and not exploiting others, even if I can get away with it.
Posted by stefano
- Jul 17, 2012, 10:37 PMYou are confusing condition with behavior. It's not illegal to be a pedophile just as it's not illegal for an alcoholic to drive.
Posted by justicesystemsucks
- Jul 17, 2012, 09:49 PMQuote from: stefano on Jul 17, 2012, 07:52 PMYou are compartmentalizing; you make the assumption that being past puberty makes it okay to "smash" them. I personally don't think someone under 18 really has the life experience to fathom the far reaching consequences of having sex at a young age. I believe it is the duty of older men to protect and be an example, not exploit the vulnerable.What about older women who have sex with underage boys? Why do they always seem to get a slap on the wrist and avoid jail for being pedophiles?
Quote from: stefano on Jul 17, 2012, 07:52 PMAlso, it's not a crime to be a pedophile, but exploiting the innocent is another story. I encourage both of you to look deeper into your hearts in order to determine just what kind of man you want to be.Are you serious? Do you see what you just wrote? LOL. Man, are you stupid?! I won't even comment there.
Quote from: stefano on Jul 17, 2012, 07:52 PMThink of the future, when you may have a young daughter of your own--how would you feel about some guy smashing her?It would be great if my children wait until they are married to have sex, but I know teens will be teens and will encourage them to use protection if they decide to have sex.
Men or women who are much older than the kids they have sex with deserve stiff crimes. I want to see these female teachers who have sex with their male underage students be given some serious time. I also hate faggot pedophiles like Sandusky and those priests. But I also think the crime should be stiffer the greater the age difference. My point was that a 4 year age difference isn't a big deal, especially if they are both teens. The law should give a 4 year tolerance or something. It is NOT always the man's fault, stefano. I would think you would side with us on this one. It takes two to tango. Women mature faster than men, generally. So a 15/16 year old girl is just as mature as an 18/19 year old male. If two teens have sex, it is on both of them. The guy will be seen as "the man" and the girl as "the slut". That's society. They should not be given these stiff punishments. That Genarlow Wilson case was just a tragedy for Genarlow and the judge and jury should have all been shot.
Posted by stefano
- Jul 17, 2012, 07:52 PMYou are compartmentalizing; you make the assumption that being past puberty makes it okay to "smash" them. I personally don't think someone under 18 really has the life experience to fathom the far reaching consequences of having sex at a young age. I believe it is the duty of older men to protect and be an example, not exploit the vulnerable.
Also, it's not a crime to be a pedophile, but exploiting the innocent is another story. I encourage both of you to look deeper into your hearts in order to determine just what kind of man you want to be. Think of the future, when you may have a young daughter of your own--how would you feel about some guy smashing her?
Also, it's not a crime to be a pedophile, but exploiting the innocent is another story. I encourage both of you to look deeper into your hearts in order to determine just what kind of man you want to be. Think of the future, when you may have a young daughter of your own--how would you feel about some guy smashing her?
Posted by justicesystemsucks
- Jul 17, 2012, 06:24 PMDang, when I was 18 in high school many of us senior guys had sex with the 15yr old freshmen/sophomore girls. Even 19 in college, I smashed a 16 yr old. Didn't Kobe Bryant hook up with Vanessa when he was 21 and she was 17?
And look up the story of Genarlow Wilson from GA. He was a 17yr old black man who got a blow job from some slutty 15yr old white girl, and they give him 10yrs in jail (though he got out in 2) and make him register as a sex offender?
Four years age difference isn't bad at all. Teenagers of all ages have been fucking since the beginning of time, and still do. I hate seeing good people go down on stupid charges. There are REAL pedophiles out there (sandusky, r.kelly, catholic priests, and even federal agents getting busted for child porn)!
NVM, I'm sorry you got screwed by the system. Quite frankly, I think the U.S. justice system is a load of crap.
And look up the story of Genarlow Wilson from GA. He was a 17yr old black man who got a blow job from some slutty 15yr old white girl, and they give him 10yrs in jail (though he got out in 2) and make him register as a sex offender?
Four years age difference isn't bad at all. Teenagers of all ages have been fucking since the beginning of time, and still do. I hate seeing good people go down on stupid charges. There are REAL pedophiles out there (sandusky, r.kelly, catholic priests, and even federal agents getting busted for child porn)!
NVM, I'm sorry you got screwed by the system. Quite frankly, I think the U.S. justice system is a load of crap.
Posted by Bill_Brown
- Jul 17, 2012, 01:48 PMCourts generally consider 2 years age difference acceptable when the victim is under 18 years of age. 4 years age difference when the victim is 15 years old is considered by the judicial system to be unacceptable. I do agree with the judicial system. This is only one persons opinion, there are cultures that consider a 13 year old female an adult, our culture is different.
Posted by stefano
- Jul 16, 2012, 10:30 PMSeems like kind of a harsh sentence if you were only 4 years older than her at the time. Cannot you now go back to the court and seek relief considering that you are now a married couple?
Posted by nvm
- Jul 16, 2012, 09:31 PMerm... she left is there anyways to edit that last post? i don't see an edit button, because i want to delete what she said. she literately stood over me to make sure i post message it. ;( ah well i guess we all know who wears the pants in this house hold, and it's not me.
ps... stop laughing.
ps... stop laughing.
Posted by nvm
- Jul 16, 2012, 09:21 PMdid i mention also i married her? i like to leave things out to see what people say. like you... you jump to conclusions thinking that it was a 1 night stand. i pleaded out for 10 years because i had a bad public defender. I only break 1 rule and that is my drinking rule to play poker. i'm very good at it too. oh hold on wife wants to say something
YOU DON'T KNOW HIM, LIKE I DO. WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER SINCE THE OFFENSE.
erm. sorry about that. i have made my life so much better. you see not only did i marry her, but i also finished college, and drinking was not part of my offense. i only have 2 more years of probation and 15 years of the registry. so i cross my fingers and hope things will turn out for the best.
YOU DON'T KNOW HIM, LIKE I DO. WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER SINCE THE OFFENSE.
erm. sorry about that. i have made my life so much better. you see not only did i marry her, but i also finished college, and drinking was not part of my offense. i only have 2 more years of probation and 15 years of the registry. so i cross my fingers and hope things will turn out for the best.
Posted by stefano
- Jul 16, 2012, 09:11 PMNVM,
Speaking for myself, I only advocate use of countermeasures to prevent being the victim of a false positive. I, and I assume other proponents of this website, are against using the resources for nefarious purposes. I do believe it's unethical to lie, but I'm no saint for sure.
I encourage you to take your therapy in a positive light and make it work for you in order to better your life. While I could find some 15 year old girls appealing, I know that their limited life experience often does not allow them to make good decisions. What they need is a gentleman to respect and guide them, not exploit the situation. You have a chance to make amends and better your life--you are the tamer of your own tiger.
Speaking for myself, I only advocate use of countermeasures to prevent being the victim of a false positive. I, and I assume other proponents of this website, are against using the resources for nefarious purposes. I do believe it's unethical to lie, but I'm no saint for sure.
I encourage you to take your therapy in a positive light and make it work for you in order to better your life. While I could find some 15 year old girls appealing, I know that their limited life experience often does not allow them to make good decisions. What they need is a gentleman to respect and guide them, not exploit the situation. You have a chance to make amends and better your life--you are the tamer of your own tiger.
Posted by nvm
- Jul 16, 2012, 05:35 PMi drink while playing poker at the casino, it's against my rules, and it's always on my test. btw i was 19 she was 15. i'm 27 now.
Posted by Bill_Brown
- Jul 15, 2012, 06:39 PMNVM,
For 8 years you have "defeated" polygraph while in treatment for a sexual offense? Which questions have you been untruthful to? Have you been able to re offend and not been caught? Violated probation stipulations or some other violation which would have resulted in your going to prison?
For 8 years you have "defeated" polygraph while in treatment for a sexual offense? Which questions have you been untruthful to? Have you been able to re offend and not been caught? Violated probation stipulations or some other violation which would have resulted in your going to prison?