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Posted by Winnie the Pooh
- Oct 29, 2014, 04:25 PMYou should get a consultation (normally free) from a security clearance attorney. As you know drug use is a grounds for administrative discharge (look at Joe Bidens son) and have lied about it during previous investigations could put your TS clearance in jeopardy if revealed during a full scope.
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Posted by Kaylin Frazier
- Jun 25, 2013, 04:11 PM@ Kegra86
Kegra86
I know a vet going through the same exact situation and wants to come clean also. After you told the truth about the drug use what happened? Thanks.
Kegra86
I know a vet going through the same exact situation and wants to come clean also. After you told the truth about the drug use what happened? Thanks.
Posted by Bill_Brown
- Oct 10, 2012, 10:13 PMKerga,
I have remained silent during the debate. I believe you have made a wise decision. I don't believe you will regret choosing honesty over desire, good luck to you and please let us know how your polygraph examination goes, It should be interesting.
I have remained silent during the debate. I believe you have made a wise decision. I don't believe you will regret choosing honesty over desire, good luck to you and please let us know how your polygraph examination goes, It should be interesting.
Posted by stefano
- Oct 10, 2012, 04:57 PMKegra,
I'm glad you gave the situation due deliberation and made a decision. I really do hope your honesty is appreciated by those concerned. Remember, that admitting to any crime could make you liable for prosecution. Good luck friend.
I'm glad you gave the situation due deliberation and made a decision. I really do hope your honesty is appreciated by those concerned. Remember, that admitting to any crime could make you liable for prosecution. Good luck friend.
Posted by Kegra86
- Oct 09, 2012, 06:36 PMThanks everyone for your input. I almost feel as if this conversation was like having a cartoon devil in my left ear and an angel on my right. Its been 6 months since I posted this, and I am at the point now where I am going to have to make the decision to go ahead with the poly and at least get a shot at the job I want to do. Or choose not to take it and try my luck at getting a another job that doesn't require a clearance.
I've done a lot of thinking over the past 6 months and have decided that I am going to tell the truth. I'm going to admit to what I did, lay it all on the table, and be ready to accept whatever consequences may come my way. Even if that means the loss of a job and or my clearance. If that happens I'll just go back to school...I need my degree anyways. I don't want to continue in this line of work feeling as if I'm hiding something from my employers and the government for the next 20-30 years. I will repost after my security interview and let ya know how the polygraph goes!
Thanks for your opinions!
I've done a lot of thinking over the past 6 months and have decided that I am going to tell the truth. I'm going to admit to what I did, lay it all on the table, and be ready to accept whatever consequences may come my way. Even if that means the loss of a job and or my clearance. If that happens I'll just go back to school...I need my degree anyways. I don't want to continue in this line of work feeling as if I'm hiding something from my employers and the government for the next 20-30 years. I will repost after my security interview and let ya know how the polygraph goes!
Thanks for your opinions!
Posted by Sergeant1107
- Apr 12, 2012, 11:11 AMThis really has nothing at all to do with the polygraph. I don't like the polygraph, but whether I should tell the truth or lie has nothing to do with the polygraph.
I also conduct background investigations, and the one thing that will derail an applicant faster than just about anything else is lying. I know that everyone I interview is not perfect and has made mistakes, but I also know that each of them can choose to be truthful or they can choose to lie.
In doing background investigations, I have passed lots of people who were truthful about mistakes they made in the passed.
Regardless of how you feel about the polygraph (and I am certainly no fan of the polygraph) it all comes down to the question: Do you do what you know is right all the time, or only when you think you will be caught if you do what is wrong?
I also conduct background investigations, and the one thing that will derail an applicant faster than just about anything else is lying. I know that everyone I interview is not perfect and has made mistakes, but I also know that each of them can choose to be truthful or they can choose to lie.
In doing background investigations, I have passed lots of people who were truthful about mistakes they made in the passed.
Regardless of how you feel about the polygraph (and I am certainly no fan of the polygraph) it all comes down to the question: Do you do what you know is right all the time, or only when you think you will be caught if you do what is wrong?
Posted by Kathi526
- Apr 11, 2012, 11:04 PMPolygraphers, and background investigators, really will only find out what you or others tell them. Polygraphers want you to confess, as do police, prosecutors, etc. It makes their job that much easier.
I was polygraphed by one intelligence agency, I was totally honest but nervous as hell, and failed. Later I was polygraphed by another intelligence agency, I lied out my ass and used CMs, and I passed. By this point I knew how the poly worked and I didn't confess to anything and just played the game.
Many people with high clearances and such have lied and hid things to get their job. I know of federal agents who do naughty things in strip clubs, drink and drive, are borderline pedophiles, and other bad things. If nobody knows you took the pills, then nobody needs to know, including the polygraphers. You want the job don't you?! In the end, let God judge you, not the polygraphers.
I was polygraphed by one intelligence agency, I was totally honest but nervous as hell, and failed. Later I was polygraphed by another intelligence agency, I lied out my ass and used CMs, and I passed. By this point I knew how the poly worked and I didn't confess to anything and just played the game.
Many people with high clearances and such have lied and hid things to get their job. I know of federal agents who do naughty things in strip clubs, drink and drive, are borderline pedophiles, and other bad things. If nobody knows you took the pills, then nobody needs to know, including the polygraphers. You want the job don't you?! In the end, let God judge you, not the polygraphers.
Posted by pailryder
- Apr 10, 2012, 07:08 AMKegra
It is true that liars think they are smarter than other people. But remember you are not lying just to the simple minded dweeb with the crystal ball. You are also lying to your background investigator, the hiring authority, your future bosses and coworkers and you are putting yourself at risk of your falsehoods being uncovered over time.
P.S. When a poster resorts to name calling and personal insults, you can be pretty sure they have run short on legit arguments.
It is true that liars think they are smarter than other people. But remember you are not lying just to the simple minded dweeb with the crystal ball. You are also lying to your background investigator, the hiring authority, your future bosses and coworkers and you are putting yourself at risk of your falsehoods being uncovered over time.
P.S. When a poster resorts to name calling and personal insults, you can be pretty sure they have run short on legit arguments.
Posted by stefano
- Apr 09, 2012, 10:15 PMKegra,
So now you have heard both sides of the argument. You can fall for their charade and admit to perjury in hopes of landing a job, or you can be smarter than they are. Don't be fooled by power words like "Full Scope", these kinds of terms are invented by those who wish they had a bigger hardon.
The reality is that they are simpletons, just be smarter than they are and beat them--it happens every day, and remember what I said: cover your own ass.
Good luck.
So now you have heard both sides of the argument. You can fall for their charade and admit to perjury in hopes of landing a job, or you can be smarter than they are. Don't be fooled by power words like "Full Scope", these kinds of terms are invented by those who wish they had a bigger hardon.
The reality is that they are simpletons, just be smarter than they are and beat them--it happens every day, and remember what I said: cover your own ass.
Good luck.
Posted by stefano
- Apr 09, 2012, 09:57 AMQuote from: pailryder on Apr 09, 2012, 06:40 AMSo, it is wrong to lie, but okay to lie if the truth hurts?What is not okay Pailryder is to make admissions to some dolt whose only qualification is having passed a 320 hour course. You act like polygraph examiners are some kind of higher power to whom deference must be paid, but in reality you are pitiful little men with a crystal ball.
Posted by pailryder
- Apr 09, 2012, 06:40 AMQuote from: stefano on Apr 06, 2012, 09:47 AMYes I believe it is wrong to lie. My post was about making admissions. You are encouraging him to admit to perjury
So, it is wrong to lie, but okay to lie if the truth hurts?
Posted by Sergeant1107
- Apr 06, 2012, 04:19 PMQuote from: stefano on Apr 06, 2012, 03:57 PMI've given the same advice to other cops who screwed up and were considering lying or covering it up. What else can you do but "man up" and admit you made a mistake and are willing to deal with the consequences?Quote from: Sergeant1107 on Apr 06, 2012, 10:54 AMI think it is better to simply tell the truth and accept whatever consequences result from your past choices.I am sure you've said similar things to others as you walked them to the lock up. I respect your opinion Sarge, but I don't trust the lot of them.
Posted by stefano
- Apr 06, 2012, 03:57 PMQuote from: Sergeant1107 on Apr 06, 2012, 10:54 AMI think it is better to simply tell the truth and accept whatever consequences result from your past choices.I am sure you've said similar things to others as you walked them to the lock up. I respect your opinion Sarge, but I don't trust the lot of them.
Posted by Sergeant1107
- Apr 06, 2012, 10:54 AMQuote from: stefano on Apr 06, 2012, 10:06 AMIn this particular case I would not characterize it as the dweeb with the polygraph having an impact. I think it is more accurate to characterize it as the OP's poor choices in the past having an impact.Quote from: Sergeant1107 on Apr 06, 2012, 09:09 AMEveryone makes mistakes.If your past mistakes have an impact on your future plans, so be it.So be it? How about not allowing some dweeb with a polygraph have any impact on your future plans in the first place?
If he has the option to avoid a polygraph that is always the best idea. If he has to pass one in order to get the job he wants, the polygraph operator will have an impact, regardless of whether the OP lies or is honest. I think it is better to simply tell the truth and accept whatever consequences result from your past choices. If choices he made in the past have a negative impact on his chances for the job he wants, I believe a responsible adult would simply accept that and move on.
Posted by stefano
- Apr 06, 2012, 10:06 AMQuote from: Sergeant1107 on Apr 06, 2012, 09:09 AMEveryone makes mistakes.If your past mistakes have an impact on your future plans, so be it.So be it? How about not allowing some dweeb with a polygraph have any impact on your future plans in the first place?