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Posted by Wandersmann
 - Oct 15, 2017, 04:57 PM
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Quotei have failed 2x polygraph test in a jewellery compnay relating to theft and im 100% innocent

i have nevwr stolen a cent in my life

please help ..... how is this possible

Why was an employee in the private sector being polygraphed at all?

Good point.  I don't think a jewelry store can require employee to submit to polygraph.   I can tell you, however, that private sector employees can be polygraphed any time if they are required to possess a government security clearance while working on a government contract. 
Posted by guest
 - Oct 15, 2017, 12:57 PM
Quotei have failed 2x polygraph test in a jewellery compnay relating to theft and im 100% innocent

i have nevwr stolen a cent in my life

please help ..... how is this possible

Why was an employee in the private sector being polygraphed at all?
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Oct 14, 2017, 07:06 AM
Quotei have failed 2x polygraph test in a jewellery compnay relating to theft and im 100% innocent

i have nevwr stolen a cent in my life

please help ..... how is this possible

Wesley,

As Doug pointed out, what happened to you happens to many people. It doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with you. The problem is that polygraphy is a pseudoscientific fraud. The main polygraph techniques in use today were developed by interrogators, not scientists. In fact, the most widely used technique is the brainchild of a crackpot who thought plants can read human minds. It is quite common for truthful people to "fail" the "test," especially when they are wrongly suspected of a crime.
Posted by Doug Williams
 - Oct 13, 2017, 02:09 PM
Quote from: wesley on Oct 13, 2017, 01:46 PMi have failed 2x polygraph test in a jewellery compnay relating to theft and im 100% innocent

i have nevwr stolen a cent in my life

please help ..... how is this possible

Unfortunately this happens all too often.  Thirty years ago, I proved the polygraph, when used as a "lie detector", is a sick joke.  On this episode of CBS 60 MINUTES, three different polygraph operators called 3 different innocent, truthful people liars on a crime that never even happened!  Check it out: https://youtu.be/ziMAoHhxiYQ
Posted by wesley
 - Oct 13, 2017, 01:46 PM
i have failed 2x polygraph test in a jewellery compnay relating to theft and im 100% innocent

i have nevwr stolen a cent in my life

please help ..... how is this possible
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 - Nov 12, 2011, 07:34 AM
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Posted by Donna O leary
 - Nov 04, 2011, 07:59 AM
george thank you so much!! ill tell her to ring you!
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Oct 31, 2011, 03:03 PM
Donna,

If your nan were to call me, I'd be happy to speak with her about polygraph matters. She can best reach me at +1 424 835 1225. If she has a computer, she can call this number free via the "call me" button on this page of my personal website. Alternatively, I can be reached via Skype or Google Talk (links in my signature block below).
Posted by Donna O Leary
 - Oct 31, 2011, 10:33 AM
Quote from: George_Maschke on Oct 21, 2011, 03:44 PMDonna,

It is not at all unusual for truthful people to wrongly fail the polygraph. You'll find statements from others who were falsely accused of deception (myself included) here:

https://antipolygraph.org/statements.shtml

Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis, and the results should not be relied on for any purpose. Your family wasted its money on the lie detector, and it would be a mistake to throw good money after bad by taking yet another lie detector test.

Instead, I suggest that you educate your family about the unreliability of lie detector testing. You'll find a thorough debunking of it in our free book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, which you can download here:

https://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf

You may also wish to show them this CBS 60 Minutes investigative report on lie detector:

https://antipolygraph.org/blog/?p=110


Thanks for the reply i told my nan what you said and they still dont believe me ! i tryed to educate them and some familly members are open to this and others are not. is there any way that you could possibly speak to my nan and give her your perspective? i understand if you cant but i really need to get through to her mabye she might listen to you
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Oct 21, 2011, 03:44 PM
Donna,

It is not at all unusual for truthful people to wrongly fail the polygraph. You'll find statements from others who were falsely accused of deception (myself included) here:

https://antipolygraph.org/statements.shtml

Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis, and the results should not be relied on for any purpose. Your family wasted its money on the lie detector, and it would be a mistake to throw good money after bad by taking yet another lie detector test.

Instead, I suggest that you educate your family about the unreliability of lie detector testing. You'll find a thorough debunking of it in our free book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, which you can download here:

https://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf

You may also wish to show them this CBS 60 Minutes investigative report on lie detector:

https://antipolygraph.org/blog/?p=110
Posted by Donna O Leary
 - Oct 21, 2011, 11:28 AM
Hia my name is donna im 17 years old, last year there was money taken from my nans house , there wer a few people in the house that could have done it. i was never in my nanas room where she kept her money . eventually they paid for a lie detector test to be taken of all of the familly. everyone passed and i failed ?????? i dont know why i fail maybye i was nervous but that shouldnt count?? my mam and dad 100 percent know i didnt do it . i cant stop crying at the fact my own family think i roobed my nan and granda. my dad swore to them he would provbe me innocent and hes trying to save up money so i can get another one taken but we dont have the money right now. it could take upto a year before we can get the money together . im totally in despair and i dont know what to do please help me understand when i failed. its not fair on me or my nan and granda. im really close to all my familly i feel like ann outcast. its my birthday next week and i dont even think im allowed over there . i feel so lost please help me :(:(:(:(:(
Posted by seryty
 - Aug 08, 2011, 09:20 PM
If you talk to a local examiner who is listed in APA or AAPP then I would suspect you would get the truth from that examiner. Polygraph examiners have ego but want the truth. They are continuoisly seeking continued education and argue among themselves for the right way. This is a profession and they are professionals. The "hacks" are everywhere. I would blame this problem on your employer and not the examiner. It's too bad you are going through this. Your employer needs to be upfront and honest with the testing because you are not guilty until proven guilty. I have given many exams and passed the examinee. I have no problem explaining they passed. I make my questions fair and I fully expect to pass each examinee at evry test. When they fail; I make no qualms about their failure. If there are problems with the exam, I dissect them to see where the problem areas are. I belive in these exams and if a polygraph examiner is truly after the truth then they also make sure they are giving the proper exam with the proper questions. You know if you are innocent. Stay strong and make sure your employer followed the EPPA laws. No one should have to go through that and have an employer lie to the employee to get a truth test. Polygraphs are about the truth. Start to finish.
Posted by Dottie
 - Aug 02, 2011, 06:03 AM
Thank you SO much George. What a relief to read your info. x :)
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Aug 02, 2011, 01:12 AM
Quote from: Dottie on Aug 01, 2011, 07:34 PMMy Fiance just failed a poly test really badly and I am scared. He is much younger than I am and is from another country. SO I agreed to marry him IF he took a poly test, which I paid $500 for. The administer, Mark, came to my place, ask us why I want the test and some background info, as to why I would ask about infidelity. I was allowed to ask 5 questions (like have you kissed other girls, etc). Mark told me out of 9999, you would "have to get at least 7,000 to be considered an honest person". SADLY my guy got a score of 1,734. So he failed miserably.
My guy CRIED real tears for HOURS telling me he is innocent and this test must be wrong. He swears on his Mothers life he has been loyal etc. Is there a chance he was accused falsely? I would love your opinion

Thanks

Dottie

Dottie,

Yes, there is every chance that your fiancé was accused falsely. Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis. It's a pseudoscientific fraud that actually depends on the polygraph operator lying to and otherwise deceiving the person being "tested" about the nature of the procedure. Worse still, polygraphy has an inherent bias against truthful persons.

For more on why polygraph results are not to be relied upon, see our book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (1 mb PDF).

Regarding the harm that can be caused by misplaced reliance on polygraphy in personal relationships, see Gary Smith's statement, "How I Failed My Polygraph Exam" (PDF).
Posted by Dottie
 - Aug 01, 2011, 07:34 PM
My Fiance just failed a poly test really badly and I am scared. He is much younger than I am and is from another country. SO I agreed to marry him IF he took a poly test, which I paid $500 for. The administer, Mark, came to my place, ask us why I want the test and some background info, as to why I would ask about infidelity. I was allowed to ask 5 questions (like have you kissed other girls, etc). Mark told me out of 9999, you would "have to get at least 7,000 to be considered an honest person". SADLY my guy got a score of 1,734. So he failed miserably.
My guy CRIED real tears for HOURS telling me he is innocent and this test must be wrong. He swears on his Mothers life he has been loyal etc. Is there a chance he was accused falsely? I would love your opinion

Thanks

Dottie