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Posted by Ex Member
- Feb 21, 2013, 06:44 PMBrant, that's great that your dad is a judge, you should be proud. I'm sure he would be interested in seeing the other side; why don't you invite him to this website?
Quickfix, what you wrote about spies and sex offenders doesn't sound very congenial. Usually those that hate sex offenders the most are the ones with the real skeletons in the closet.
Quickfix, what you wrote about spies and sex offenders doesn't sound very congenial. Usually those that hate sex offenders the most are the ones with the real skeletons in the closet.
Posted by quickfix
- Feb 21, 2013, 02:25 PMArkhangelsk: I guess you didn't read my post; there is no deep-seated hatred. Therefore, your question is baseless.
Posted by Brant
- Feb 21, 2013, 12:24 AMThank you quickfix that was very helpful. I do not think you are hatefilled and I realize it is probably your job to deal with these kind of people.
Dear Arhhangelsk, I believe in the system my dad is a prestigious judge. I asked him if they work and I trust his opinion. I have never personally used one, but I am told they work 80-99% of the time.
Dear Arhhangelsk, I believe in the system my dad is a prestigious judge. I asked him if they work and I trust his opinion. I have never personally used one, but I am told they work 80-99% of the time.
Posted by Ex Member
- Feb 20, 2013, 05:45 PMQuote from: quickfix on Feb 19, 2013, 04:01 PM Brant, thanks for the words of support. Someof my opponents on this site incorreclt assume I am hate-filled toward everyone; not the case.The worst of the worst are spies and child molesters/sex offenders.Even in prison, child molesters are despised by other inmates.Notice how "Chuckles" has disappeared fromthis site?No doubt he has offended again and hopefully he is back in prison where he belongs.How do you prevent this deep seated hatred from introducing examiner bias into your scoring?
Posted by Ex Member
- Feb 20, 2013, 05:43 PMQuoteI believe in lie detectorsMay I ask what led to your belief in lie detectors? What exactly convinced you?
Posted by quickfix
- Feb 19, 2013, 04:01 PMBrant, thanks for the words of support. Someof my opponents on this site incorreclt assume I am hate-filled toward everyone; not the case. The worst of the worst are spies and child molesters/sex offenders. Even in prison, child molesters are despised by other inmates. Notice how "Chuckles" has disappeared fromthis site? No doubt he has offended again and hopefully he is back in prison where he belongs.
To answer your question, I would not spend time or money on these so-called home polygraph machines. Having conducted research on many of them (under federal research grants), I can tell you that they don't collect the physiological data necessary, nor is the data collected on these devices accurate. An examiner with proper training and experience is the way to go. Inviting "friends" along is not appropriate. Privacy is strictly enforced in any polygraph exam, whether conducted by a private, law enforcement, or federal examiner. Onlythe person being tested, the person's attorney, and if required, an interpreter, are allowed to participate. The attorney is also required to leave when the test portion begins, usually observing from an adjacent monitor room or other remote viewing device.
Fees for private testing can vary from examiner to examiner. Expect to pay a minimum of $500-$750 for a simple straight-forward test; more for a more complicated test. Even more if the examiner has to travel, since you must pay for his travel, lodging, and incidental expenses.
Hope this answers your questions.
To answer your question, I would not spend time or money on these so-called home polygraph machines. Having conducted research on many of them (under federal research grants), I can tell you that they don't collect the physiological data necessary, nor is the data collected on these devices accurate. An examiner with proper training and experience is the way to go. Inviting "friends" along is not appropriate. Privacy is strictly enforced in any polygraph exam, whether conducted by a private, law enforcement, or federal examiner. Onlythe person being tested, the person's attorney, and if required, an interpreter, are allowed to participate. The attorney is also required to leave when the test portion begins, usually observing from an adjacent monitor room or other remote viewing device.
Fees for private testing can vary from examiner to examiner. Expect to pay a minimum of $500-$750 for a simple straight-forward test; more for a more complicated test. Even more if the examiner has to travel, since you must pay for his travel, lodging, and incidental expenses.
Hope this answers your questions.
Posted by Brant
- Feb 19, 2013, 01:24 PMDear Quickfix, I believe in lie detectors and I want to buy the usb lie detector to play truth or dare with my girlfriends. Will it be accurate enough even though it is cheaper? How much does it cost to go to a real examiner and have them do it. Will my friends be able to come?
Also this was a very educational conversation for me I am 20 years old and have never seen a girl act so mean towards someone. I am completely on your side you can not become a sex offender randomly, but you are still a woman and must remain professional no matter how jacked up this guy is.
Also this was a very educational conversation for me I am 20 years old and have never seen a girl act so mean towards someone. I am completely on your side you can not become a sex offender randomly, but you are still a woman and must remain professional no matter how jacked up this guy is.
Posted by stefano
- Jan 04, 2012, 05:24 PMQuote from: seryty on Jan 01, 2012, 09:13 PMPolygraph examiners are an investigative tool who have proven their worth many times over.Translation: the polygraph is used as a rubber hose to trick those under interrogation into confessing.
It is only effective for those who have not yet awakened to the folly.
Posted by Mr. Tooth
- Jan 02, 2012, 06:00 AMQuote from: seryty on Jan 01, 2012, 09:13 PMThe polygraph is only a part of the investigation and not the final word
The polygraph is the final word in the hiring process, which is the reason this web site exists.
Posted by seryty
- Jan 01, 2012, 09:13 PMpailryder, stefano and chuckles: great conversation. All have opinions and all speak well of their views.
quickfix and yourallsheep: Unreal. You need to converse intellectually, not with the obvious hate you are displaying. I am sure their are bad polygraph examiners out there as there are "the bad" in everything profession. You can not hold all to the actions of "the bad". I believe in the polygraph and have seen it used effectively evry time. The polygraph is a great investigative tool. As far as being deceptive; a person lying about their crime is often cornered by the deceptive interviewer. I know LE who have interviewed a person for a couple of hours and longer and have finally had the suspect confess. It is not a simple, "yes I did it." It is an admission with supportng facts. Often the facts are only known by the suspect or someone tod by the suspect, the victis and the LE. LE doesn't rely on confession alone. There have been many people who confess or admit to a crime only to have LE disprove it and send them on their way. LE deal with the facts but LE is subject to mistakes also. I have seen Polyygraphs were the person showed to be lying and the examiner called the examinee on the lie. The examinee continued to lie and fnally gave up the act and admitted. The examinee then went on to relay the details of the crime. There iis no doubt about the confession. The examiner held true to the test result and ould not relent. I am sure tehre are tests that are not so obvious and this is where a skilled inteviewer is needed. Deception is part of it. It is about solving the crime and getting resolution for the victims.
Everyone has their opinion. That's the way it should.
LE have their hands full trying to keep up with investigating crimes.
Polygraph examiners are an investigative tool who have proven their worth many times over.
Chuckles: Not knowing you, if what you say is true; then, I can not explain it or even try to and I would not want to be in your position. My view to your situation is; if you did it, dont do it again. If you didn't do it, you were wronged somewhere.
The polygraph is only a part of the investigation and not the final word.
quickfix and yourallsheep: Unreal. You need to converse intellectually, not with the obvious hate you are displaying. I am sure their are bad polygraph examiners out there as there are "the bad" in everything profession. You can not hold all to the actions of "the bad". I believe in the polygraph and have seen it used effectively evry time. The polygraph is a great investigative tool. As far as being deceptive; a person lying about their crime is often cornered by the deceptive interviewer. I know LE who have interviewed a person for a couple of hours and longer and have finally had the suspect confess. It is not a simple, "yes I did it." It is an admission with supportng facts. Often the facts are only known by the suspect or someone tod by the suspect, the victis and the LE. LE doesn't rely on confession alone. There have been many people who confess or admit to a crime only to have LE disprove it and send them on their way. LE deal with the facts but LE is subject to mistakes also. I have seen Polyygraphs were the person showed to be lying and the examiner called the examinee on the lie. The examinee continued to lie and fnally gave up the act and admitted. The examinee then went on to relay the details of the crime. There iis no doubt about the confession. The examiner held true to the test result and ould not relent. I am sure tehre are tests that are not so obvious and this is where a skilled inteviewer is needed. Deception is part of it. It is about solving the crime and getting resolution for the victims.
Everyone has their opinion. That's the way it should.
LE have their hands full trying to keep up with investigating crimes.
Polygraph examiners are an investigative tool who have proven their worth many times over.
Chuckles: Not knowing you, if what you say is true; then, I can not explain it or even try to and I would not want to be in your position. My view to your situation is; if you did it, dont do it again. If you didn't do it, you were wronged somewhere.
The polygraph is only a part of the investigation and not the final word.
Posted by quickfix
- Dec 30, 2011, 02:17 PMI humbly yield to the new king!!!
Posted by stefano
- Dec 30, 2011, 03:04 AMQuoteim a jew nigger 3 time conv drunken driver but atleast I can rent an apartment chuckles u shitbagQuickfix, you may have just been dethroned.
Posted by yourallsheep
- Dec 29, 2011, 06:33 PMWow this site is impressive, actually some very intelligent people. Im used to forums overun by sheep.. the general public, mostly complete morons.. anyways
Chuckles your a sick f*ck u deserve to raped mentally in the water ever way hurts you most because i big nig in jail prob doesn't bother you much. Hopefully you cant get the women or men you desire and are so hurt by it you act out w sexual perversions> if you can get the people you desire I hope they tear your heart and your mind apart leaving to know and feel what a piece of shit you are. you destroy innocent childrens lives you fucking mucus
and other guy we all hate drunk drivers just the same as nigs , jews and sex offenders... no im not racist although i love using the words to enrage the weak.. hate is healthy displacement of anger take a psyc class
im a jew nigger 3 time conv drunken driver but atleast I can rent an apartment chuckles u shitbag
Chuckles your a sick f*ck u deserve to raped mentally in the water ever way hurts you most because i big nig in jail prob doesn't bother you much. Hopefully you cant get the women or men you desire and are so hurt by it you act out w sexual perversions> if you can get the people you desire I hope they tear your heart and your mind apart leaving to know and feel what a piece of shit you are. you destroy innocent childrens lives you fucking mucus
and other guy we all hate drunk drivers just the same as nigs , jews and sex offenders... no im not racist although i love using the words to enrage the weak.. hate is healthy displacement of anger take a psyc class
im a jew nigger 3 time conv drunken driver but atleast I can rent an apartment chuckles u shitbag
Posted by pailryder
- Mar 31, 2011, 07:36 PMstefano
I did not say that I currently use the R/I technique. I simple cite it as one of several techniques that does not depend on examiner deception.
I did not say that I currently use the R/I technique. I simple cite it as one of several techniques that does not depend on examiner deception.
Posted by stefano
- Mar 31, 2011, 03:35 PMQuote from: pailryder on Mar 31, 2011, 06:03 AMstefanoI agree that the GKT by itself does not involve direct deception on behalf of the examiner; other than the general deception regarding the polygraph's accuracy. However, if a successive hurdles approach is employed, other formats will come into play.
The Guilty Knowledge Test, Directed Lie Comparison Question Test and Relevant/Irrelevant Test are all techniques that do not rely or depend on examiner deception.
Thank you for the calm and thoughtful discussion.
The directed lie format as proffered by the University of Utah, does simplify the pretest interview. I don't believe the technique is widely used at this point. I have had discussions with Dr. Honts regarding this technique and he tends to believe the underlying concepts are based on mental work. He stands firm that lab experiments reveal higher levels of accuracy, but I have not scrutinized the empirical data.
You should not be using the R/I test technique as its as useless as a coin toss.