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Posted by ohman
- Apr 19, 2017, 08:27 PM"Surebet, if you're still out there, you need to let the NSA know that this was you posting."
please be a good boy and run right to the NSA and TELL THEM WHAT YOU'VE DONE. ALL SHALL BE FORGIVEN.
I'm sorry to bump this very old thread, but i really get a kick out of seeing how desperate the feds are to stop people from sharing this information.
It's doubly stupid because when you guys do this, you are essentially marking or highlighting which posts you desperately DON'T want people to read. And thus highlighting which are the most important. Pretty f---ing stupid.
sorry y'all but
as long as you keep interviewing and spitting out people "rejected by the poly," you will continue to have a large mass of people willing to share their polygraph stories with the public.
change your policies, if this site scares you. Reject applicants on the basis of their merits or lack thereof, not on the word of some idiot power hungry polygraph "operator."
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 23, 2013, 03:54 AMI continue to be astounded and appalled at the naivete of both the applicants who waste their time applying to agencies in the Community, as well as the hostility of some of the pro-Community posters on this site.
I think this hostility is demonstrative of a component of the personality or psychological profile of the individuals whom are able to bluff (or luck) their way through the polygraph and BI process.
I think this hostility is demonstrative of a component of the personality or psychological profile of the individuals whom are able to bluff (or luck) their way through the polygraph and BI process.
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 23, 2013, 03:47 AMQuoteQuotethere are many other forums and mean's to get the information.
Many other forums?? Like where? How many? As good a quality as this website??
This is an excellent post, placed in exactly the right place, with exactly the right kind solid info that could save someone's career.
Or that hopefully could dissuade people from wasting their time on applying to agencies in the Community.
Bravo!
QuoteQuotethere are many other forums and mean's to get the information.
Many other forums?? Like where? How many? As good a quality as this website??
This is an excellent post, placed in exactly the right place, with exactly the right kind solid info that could save someone's career.
Bravo!
Posted by xenonman
- Jun 23, 2013, 03:43 AMQuote from: PhilGainey on Jan 10, 2009, 07:44 PMNo, no, no!
I suspect that by the time the victims and rejects of the polygraph and BI resort to posting anything here, they probably have nothing left to lose concerning their applications for Community work. Thus, it would appear to matter little whether Community polygraphers monitor this site or not.
The polygraph operators there encourage their victims to post here.
Posted by newuser
- May 03, 2012, 03:48 PMSome body please answer this if you can. So I went for my first polly for NSA a year ago. Everything went great, I was extremely candid and honest with all my answers of course. And then few months later an investigator called me and just asked few more questions and that's it, that went fine too. I have not heard back from them at all since then. I don't know if I should still wait or have they already moved on with my case and don't want me anymore? I have no idea. I really want to work for the NSA and I'm patiently waiting and hopefully I hear something back. I have a good background except that I was born overseas.
Posted by NotSurebet
- Apr 26, 2009, 02:01 AMSurebet, if you're still out there, you need to let the NSA know that this was you posting. I don't know if you still have contact with them, but I got blamed for writing this post. I believe that I have lost my job offer over this. They brought it up with me, accused me of it, and I haven't heard back from them since. I don't know who you are, but they think that I am you.
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- Apr 24, 2009, 03:23 PMOff-topic replies have been moved to: this topic.
Posted by Tex25
- Feb 10, 2009, 03:46 PMYou have to understand going in that it's basically an interrogation and the poly is only part of that process. It's the interviewer's job to push, poke, and prod you and that may involve the good old bad cop/good cop routine and other basic techniques. It sounds like you were a bit unprepared in that regard. Some agencies ask that you not start researching the polygraph technology before going in etc but everything I just described is basic common sense, in my opinion.
Also, I agree with some of the other comments, very poor OPSEC shown in this post, both in revealing a bit too much about the agency you polyed at and details that could link you i.e. I ARRIVED AT FANX1 THURSDAY MORNING AT 7 AM, revealing you did your PBT first then your poly, I FLEW IN WEDS NIGHT etc etc. and also revealing you were born in 1986 when discussing control questions and so on. You give enough information where someone could probably narrow it down to a list of 5 to 8 candidates if not fewer based on what you've posted here alone and from there a committed intelligence and investigative agency could probably easily identify you.
Your naiveté and carelessness is astounding and based simply on what I've seen here I hope you don't get the job because you don't seem responsible enough to handle sensitive information.
Also, I agree with some of the other comments, very poor OPSEC shown in this post, both in revealing a bit too much about the agency you polyed at and details that could link you i.e. I ARRIVED AT FANX1 THURSDAY MORNING AT 7 AM, revealing you did your PBT first then your poly, I FLEW IN WEDS NIGHT etc etc. and also revealing you were born in 1986 when discussing control questions and so on. You give enough information where someone could probably narrow it down to a list of 5 to 8 candidates if not fewer based on what you've posted here alone and from there a committed intelligence and investigative agency could probably easily identify you.
Your naiveté and carelessness is astounding and based simply on what I've seen here I hope you don't get the job because you don't seem responsible enough to handle sensitive information.
Posted by Ghon
- Jan 31, 2009, 09:53 AMSo did you get accepted, Surebet?
Posted by Mr. Bellemont
- Jan 20, 2009, 07:37 PMQuotethere are many other forums and mean's to get the information.
Many other forums?? Like where? How many? As good a quality as this website??
This is an excellent post, placed in exactly the right place, with exactly the right kind solid info that could save someone's career.
Bravo!
Posted by Don't be a dummy
- Jan 18, 2009, 01:32 AMI do agree with you that having no experience with these type's of test's can hurt people's chances. However, I would not publish this type of data on a public forum. If these individual's are interesting in gathering this data, there are many other forums and mean's to get the information. 8-)
Posted by Jack Frost
- Jan 11, 2009, 11:51 AM I know the POLY.. test is a joke. But the job of detecting moles is serious business. If the NSA bothers to track me down and if they talk to my previous bosses they would know that I would be a good test giver. I have this gift maybe from god that allows me to get under the skin and cause people to go off the deep end even if I don't want too. I love poker and toying with people when playing the game. Check me out NSA I would do a damn good job.
Jack Frost
Jack Frost
Posted by Anon all the way
- Jan 10, 2009, 10:01 PMThe description sounds quite like what I experienced. I gave up during my second polygraph 3.5 hours into it. After the first one I felt like complete crap. I was nervous going into the second one but felt a little more confident because I had a better idea of what to expect. So when they get into the "you didn't respond well to question X" part of it that was to no surprise.
I made me throw in the towel was after the person administering the test stepped to "talk with superiors." I just thought: I'll have to do this every couple of years to maintain employment at the NSA. Do I really want to do that? Do I really want a bottle of Mallox in my desk drawer for the rest of my life? And the answer was no. So I gave up.
The other thing is most people DO NOT understand a polygraph. They think there is total truth to it. 100% accuracy. What I learned from the experience is that a polygraph is a way to interrogate perfectly innocent persons. I was a teenager at the time I took it so I thought it was somewhat silly to assume I was running some network of people attempting to overflow the US government. I suppose I understand why they do it. But it's not a perfect system. And people like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hannson slipped through and caused quite a bit of damage to the US intelligence community and between the two of them basically eliminated quite a few double agents in the Soviet Union. But again a lot of people I tell: ya I have had a polygraph and I don't think I did well. And their response is usually haughty either because they are overconfident and believe they could "beat" the polygraph in which case they are mistaken because it's really about interrogation and less about truth (in my opinion). And the other case is people who COMPLETELY believe in the polygraph (because they saw it used in some TV show) and think you are some type of domestic terrorist.
Anyway. Good Luck. I would recommend trudging on no matter how many polygraphs you have to go in for.
I made me throw in the towel was after the person administering the test stepped to "talk with superiors." I just thought: I'll have to do this every couple of years to maintain employment at the NSA. Do I really want to do that? Do I really want a bottle of Mallox in my desk drawer for the rest of my life? And the answer was no. So I gave up.
The other thing is most people DO NOT understand a polygraph. They think there is total truth to it. 100% accuracy. What I learned from the experience is that a polygraph is a way to interrogate perfectly innocent persons. I was a teenager at the time I took it so I thought it was somewhat silly to assume I was running some network of people attempting to overflow the US government. I suppose I understand why they do it. But it's not a perfect system. And people like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hannson slipped through and caused quite a bit of damage to the US intelligence community and between the two of them basically eliminated quite a few double agents in the Soviet Union. But again a lot of people I tell: ya I have had a polygraph and I don't think I did well. And their response is usually haughty either because they are overconfident and believe they could "beat" the polygraph in which case they are mistaken because it's really about interrogation and less about truth (in my opinion). And the other case is people who COMPLETELY believe in the polygraph (because they saw it used in some TV show) and think you are some type of domestic terrorist.
Anyway. Good Luck. I would recommend trudging on no matter how many polygraphs you have to go in for.
Posted by T.M. Cullen
- Jan 10, 2009, 07:44 PMNo, no, no!
The polygraph operators there encourage their victims to post here.
Why would they care? They have nothing to hide. The test is 98% positive. When I took it my NSA retest polygraph at Camp Smith Hawaii in July of 2000 (whoops!), Mr. Lingenfelter even drew out a nifty pie chart illustrating this fact. I was very impressed and spilled my guts on the spot! It's nice to have people available to help you.
Now, if you chose not the let them help you through the process, then that is YOURproblem. You probably work for Al Qaeda and molest small animals anyway!
So welcome to the "pity party"! What makes you feel so entitled to a government job anyway? Just take your little "spanking" you sniveling little PRIMA DONA, have a good cry and GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE!
Sorry, thought I'd give you the standard Polygrapher reply.
TC
P.S. Spread the truth about the polygraph to anyone you know who might end up having to go through it. The KEY, is getting people informed BEFORE they take it!
The polygraph operators there encourage their victims to post here.
Why would they care? They have nothing to hide. The test is 98% positive. When I took it my NSA retest polygraph at Camp Smith Hawaii in July of 2000 (whoops!), Mr. Lingenfelter even drew out a nifty pie chart illustrating this fact. I was very impressed and spilled my guts on the spot! It's nice to have people available to help you.
Now, if you chose not the let them help you through the process, then that is YOURproblem. You probably work for Al Qaeda and molest small animals anyway!
So welcome to the "pity party"! What makes you feel so entitled to a government job anyway? Just take your little "spanking" you sniveling little PRIMA DONA, have a good cry and GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE!
Sorry, thought I'd give you the standard Polygrapher reply.
TC
P.S. Spread the truth about the polygraph to anyone you know who might end up having to go through it. The KEY, is getting people informed BEFORE they take it!
Posted by Ennis Aye
- Jan 10, 2009, 07:21 PMDetailing the date, time and location your polygraph and the day and time of day your flight arrived wasn't a particularly swift thing to do, either.
Of course, they could take the lazy way out and dump all 13 of you in the round file and still have plenty of poly fodder first thing Monday morning.
Of course, they could take the lazy way out and dump all 13 of you in the round file and still have plenty of poly fodder first thing Monday morning.