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Posted by pailryder
- Dec 19, 2008, 06:00 AMPhlyfisher
I know of only four companies, Lafayette, Stoelting, Limestone and Axciton that market polygraph equipment in the US. The private market is very small, most sales are to local, state or federal government agencies.
I know of only four companies, Lafayette, Stoelting, Limestone and Axciton that market polygraph equipment in the US. The private market is very small, most sales are to local, state or federal government agencies.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 19, 2008, 04:47 AMQuote from: Phlyfisher on Dec 19, 2008, 02:13 AMIn one of the articles George posts, it mentions the polygraph manufacturer "limestone technologies" of Canada that has supplied the polygraph equipment in Iraq. I'd be interested to know if agencies in the U.S. use only certain companies to supply their equipment. Is there any information on this?
Yes, there is. You can look up information on federal polygraph purchases through the Federal Procurement Data System. I used it to retrieve the data in the message thread, Federal Spending on Polygraph Equipment in FY 2004.
Posted by Phlyfisher
- Dec 19, 2008, 02:13 AMIn one of the articles George posts, it mentions the polygraph manufacturer "limestone technologies" of Canada that has supplied the polygraph equipment in Iraq. I'd be interested to know if agencies in the U.S. use only certain companies to supply their equipment. Is there any information on this?
Posted by itoldyouso
- Dec 19, 2008, 01:28 AMNothing new, it is a bunch of altar boys indeed...
updated 7:30 a.m. PT, Thurs., Feb. 19, 2004
An internal FBI report kept under wraps for three years details dozens of cases of agents fired for egregious misconduct and crimes, including drug trafficking, attempted murder, theft, misuse of informants and consorting with prostitutes.
The report, released Wednesday by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, found that about one in 1,000 agents was dismissed for serious misconduct or criminal offenses by the FBI during the period examined, from 1986 to 1999. The average was between eight and nine per year.
Although the numbers were small, the FBI's attempts to prevent the report's disclosure from the public and Congress since its completion in June 2000 is raising questions among FBI critics about an attempt to avoid embarrassment.
Grassley, a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a letter Wednesday to FBI Director Robert Mueller that he was concerned about "a lack of response to the findings and recommendations, a general lack of support for the project and even efforts to prevent its completion."
Grassley said the report "almost never saw the light of day." It was only provided to lawmakers in July 2003, months after it was requested, and was accompanied by a Justice Department letter urging that it be kept confidential.
Response from FBI
FBI Assistant Director Cassandra Chandler responded Wednesday that "Director Mueller is committed to undertaking the reforms necessary to strengthen the disciplinary process within the FBI and ensure that it is fair, efficient and credible."
The report was prepared by the FBI's Behavioral Sciences and Law Enforcement Ethics unit in an effort to identify trends among agents dismissed for serious offenses and determine if there were warning signs prior to the misconduct that led to their firings.
The report lists the circumstances — minus names, dates and locations — of more than 70 dismissals, including:
* An agent who was abusive to his family and used his FBI weapon to shoot his wife, resulting in attempted murder charges.
* One agent who was calling sex hot lines on FBI phones while on duty.
* Several agents who had improper sexual relationships with confidential informants or prostitutes, sometimes in FBI vehicles. One agent pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the killing of a female informant with whom he had "an inappropriate emotional and sexual relationship."
* Agents who disclosed sensitive or classified material to outsiders, including representatives of foreign governments and criminal enterprises.
* Firings stemming from drug, alcohol or gambling problems. One agent stole more than $400,000 in informant funds to feed his gambling and drinking problems; another used crack cocaine regularly and was arrested for possession of crack pipes.
* An agent who attempted to sell cocaine to someone who turned out to be an undercover FBI agent.
Internal flaws found
The report concluded that some of these agents were hired even though a background check had revealed negative information about them. Sometimes the check itself was not thorough enough. Before their firings, some agents exhibited "markers" for potential misconduct, such as a history of emotional or psychological problems or evidence of substance abuse.
Release of the report comes amid a separate review of the way the FBI investigates employee wrongdoing and imposes discipline. That review, by former Attorney General Griffin Bell and ex-FBI executive Lee Colwell, has been completed in draft form but is not yet ready for public release, FBI officials said.
Mueller said in announcing that review that he wanted to stop "an erosion of trust" by the public in the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility, which has been accused of having dual disciplinary systems for supervisors and field agents and of minimizing allegations of retaliation against whistleblowers.
updated 7:30 a.m. PT, Thurs., Feb. 19, 2004
An internal FBI report kept under wraps for three years details dozens of cases of agents fired for egregious misconduct and crimes, including drug trafficking, attempted murder, theft, misuse of informants and consorting with prostitutes.
The report, released Wednesday by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, found that about one in 1,000 agents was dismissed for serious misconduct or criminal offenses by the FBI during the period examined, from 1986 to 1999. The average was between eight and nine per year.
Although the numbers were small, the FBI's attempts to prevent the report's disclosure from the public and Congress since its completion in June 2000 is raising questions among FBI critics about an attempt to avoid embarrassment.
Grassley, a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a letter Wednesday to FBI Director Robert Mueller that he was concerned about "a lack of response to the findings and recommendations, a general lack of support for the project and even efforts to prevent its completion."
Grassley said the report "almost never saw the light of day." It was only provided to lawmakers in July 2003, months after it was requested, and was accompanied by a Justice Department letter urging that it be kept confidential.
Response from FBI
FBI Assistant Director Cassandra Chandler responded Wednesday that "Director Mueller is committed to undertaking the reforms necessary to strengthen the disciplinary process within the FBI and ensure that it is fair, efficient and credible."
The report was prepared by the FBI's Behavioral Sciences and Law Enforcement Ethics unit in an effort to identify trends among agents dismissed for serious offenses and determine if there were warning signs prior to the misconduct that led to their firings.
The report lists the circumstances — minus names, dates and locations — of more than 70 dismissals, including:
* An agent who was abusive to his family and used his FBI weapon to shoot his wife, resulting in attempted murder charges.
* One agent who was calling sex hot lines on FBI phones while on duty.
* Several agents who had improper sexual relationships with confidential informants or prostitutes, sometimes in FBI vehicles. One agent pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the killing of a female informant with whom he had "an inappropriate emotional and sexual relationship."
* Agents who disclosed sensitive or classified material to outsiders, including representatives of foreign governments and criminal enterprises.
* Firings stemming from drug, alcohol or gambling problems. One agent stole more than $400,000 in informant funds to feed his gambling and drinking problems; another used crack cocaine regularly and was arrested for possession of crack pipes.
* An agent who attempted to sell cocaine to someone who turned out to be an undercover FBI agent.
Internal flaws found
The report concluded that some of these agents were hired even though a background check had revealed negative information about them. Sometimes the check itself was not thorough enough. Before their firings, some agents exhibited "markers" for potential misconduct, such as a history of emotional or psychological problems or evidence of substance abuse.
Release of the report comes amid a separate review of the way the FBI investigates employee wrongdoing and imposes discipline. That review, by former Attorney General Griffin Bell and ex-FBI executive Lee Colwell, has been completed in draft form but is not yet ready for public release, FBI officials said.
Mueller said in announcing that review that he wanted to stop "an erosion of trust" by the public in the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility, which has been accused of having dual disciplinary systems for supervisors and field agents and of minimizing allegations of retaliation against whistleblowers.
Posted by Lethe
- Dec 18, 2008, 04:35 PMObviously, the problem is that we're not doing enough polygraphs in Iraq. MSNBC just reported that FBI agents stole $7.8 million from U.S. taxpayers between 2003-2007 by claiming pay for time they spent doing laundry and going to parties. Each agent got an average of $45,000 that he or she wasn't entitled to. If they'd been polygraphed more they wouldn't have stolen like that!
On a serious note, do polies have anything to say about this? Are you going to claim that they'd have stolen even more if they hadn't been polygraphed at all?
On a serious note, do polies have anything to say about this? Are you going to claim that they'd have stolen even more if they hadn't been polygraphed at all?
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 17, 2008, 01:05 AMFor more on this story, see Cruel Joke: U.S. Exports Polygraphy to Iraq on the blog and Polygraph Operator Daniel E. Sosnowski Makes a Killing in Iraq on this forum.