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Posted by Dirk Pitt
- Apr 10, 2023, 09:37 AMI have atrial fibrilation (AFIB) as well as a patent foramen ovale. I also have taken many polygraphs due to employment -- the poly interpreter said that the graph indicated that deception was indicated when giving my name and confirming the location of the poly. But the government filed them away as deception indicated without further elaboration. I take medication to attempt to keep the afib under control but it still spikes on occasion, usually without any precursor. Sometimes the government agency ignored the poly and I kept my employment, sometimes the government agency believed that I was in league with ISIS, drug cartels and was present in Dallas in 1963 (I was 13 at the time) but know the second shooter and was relegated to working in classroom supply. I served from Viet Nam through Desert Storm. Polygraphs may be a tool but not 'THE' tool to determine truth. I also have PTSD and that reflects in my attitude toward REMFs.
Posted by Rus
- Jul 19, 2020, 04:53 AMSearched through APA and many other sites but nowhere it says that Heart disease etc along with Beta-blockers are contraindications to polygraph.
Can anyone point me out to those official sources?
Bz otherwise it looks like lots of hot air.
Can anyone point me out to those official sources?
Bz otherwise it looks like lots of hot air.
Posted by Azzo
- Mar 26, 2020, 07:01 AMI didn't thought about heart conditions and polygraphs connection to be honest. It's an interesting topic. I have a neighbour next to my property in Sicily here who was supposed to pass polygraph this week. I will ask him about his experience as he had a surgery on a heart about 5 years ago.
Posted by Leon Williamson II
- Mar 20, 2020, 02:20 PMThanks. I already have a pacemaker. I was told this morning I was to be fired if I do not take a polygraph.
I will wait till they fire me. Then go to a lawyer and sue them!!
I will wait till they fire me. Then go to a lawyer and sue them!!
Posted by Leon Williamson II
- Mar 19, 2020, 10:15 PMI and two others were accused of stealing computers from a state agency. We were asked to take a polygraph. The first examiner said he could not do it based upon my medical condition included in my post below. The second examiner was a woman who worked for the same agency. She said no problem,she can work around it.
I am in a wheel chair as I do IT trouble shooting of the servers and datacomm.
In looking on the internet I found your site. My neighbor said to get a doctors excuse?
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An arrhythmia is a problem with the rate or rhythm of your heartbeat. It means that your heart beats too quickly, too slowly, or with an irregular pattern. When the heart beats faster than normal, it is called tachycardia. When the heart beats too slowly, it is called bradycardia. The most common type of arrhythmia is atrial fibrillation, which causes an irregular and fast heart beat.
Many factors can affect your heart's rhythm, such as having had a heart attack, smoking, congenital heart defects, and stress. Some substances or medicines may also cause arrhythmias.
Symptoms of arrhythmias include
•Fast or slow heart beat
•Skipping beats
•Lightheadedness or dizziness
•Chest pain
•Shortness of breath
•Sweating
Your doctor can run tests to find out if you have an arrhythmia. Treatment to restore a normal heart rhythm may include medicines, an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator (ICD) or pacemaker, or sometimes surgery
I am in a wheel chair as I do IT trouble shooting of the servers and datacomm.
In looking on the internet I found your site. My neighbor said to get a doctors excuse?
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An arrhythmia is a problem with the rate or rhythm of your heartbeat. It means that your heart beats too quickly, too slowly, or with an irregular pattern. When the heart beats faster than normal, it is called tachycardia. When the heart beats too slowly, it is called bradycardia. The most common type of arrhythmia is atrial fibrillation, which causes an irregular and fast heart beat.
Many factors can affect your heart's rhythm, such as having had a heart attack, smoking, congenital heart defects, and stress. Some substances or medicines may also cause arrhythmias.
Symptoms of arrhythmias include
•Fast or slow heart beat
•Skipping beats
•Lightheadedness or dizziness
•Chest pain
•Shortness of breath
•Sweating
Your doctor can run tests to find out if you have an arrhythmia. Treatment to restore a normal heart rhythm may include medicines, an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator (ICD) or pacemaker, or sometimes surgery
Posted by Doug Williams
- Mar 19, 2020, 10:30 AMQuote from: danmangan on Mar 18, 2020, 10:29 AMJohn Castellano, I have faced this problem many times, especially when I ran PCSOT exams.
An ethical examiner (please, skip the jokes) will attempt to run enough charts to obtain a sufficient number of scoreable spots, that is to say, spots that are free of distortions.
If that threshold is not met, the official outcome of the test is "no opinion." The examiner's report should list any known (or claimed) conditions that could influence the collection of data, or have any meaningful bearing on the examinee's overall suitability as a polygraph test-taker.
If you are obligated to take a polygraph, say, as part of supervision or treatment, it is highly unlikely that you will be given a free pass.
I feel your pain Dan, I know how hard it is – in fact it's absolutely impossible – to try to make sense out of a procedure that is absolutely nonsensical and is based on a total outright fraud. The polygraph does not work as a lie detector, it has never worked as a lie detector and I don't give a damn how many charts you run, it still doesn't alter that fact – as you well know – facts are very stubborn things.
Posted by Dan Mangan
- Mar 18, 2020, 10:29 AMJohn Castellano, I have faced this problem many times, especially when I ran PCSOT exams.
An ethical examiner (please, skip the jokes) will attempt to run enough charts to obtain a sufficient number of scoreable spots, that is to say, spots that are free of distortions.
If that threshold is not met, the official outcome of the test is "no opinion." The examiner's report should list any known (or claimed) conditions that could influence the collection of data, or have any meaningful bearing on the examinee's overall suitability as a polygraph test-taker.
If you are obligated to take a polygraph, say, as part of supervision or treatment, it is highly unlikely that you will be given a free pass.
An ethical examiner (please, skip the jokes) will attempt to run enough charts to obtain a sufficient number of scoreable spots, that is to say, spots that are free of distortions.
If that threshold is not met, the official outcome of the test is "no opinion." The examiner's report should list any known (or claimed) conditions that could influence the collection of data, or have any meaningful bearing on the examinee's overall suitability as a polygraph test-taker.
If you are obligated to take a polygraph, say, as part of supervision or treatment, it is highly unlikely that you will be given a free pass.
Posted by John Castellano
- Mar 17, 2020, 09:51 AMI have a rapidly fluctuating heart BPM Beats Per Minute called atrial Fibrillation or arrhythmia. Will this health condition affect a polygraph test resulting in a false positive response? In Wisconsin, also, they use the Irrelevant/Relevant Questionnaire, sans Control Question.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 08, 2018, 11:56 PMI am no liar,
There is no research on the effects of pacemakers or blood pressure medication on polygraph results. But it doesn't matter. Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis to begin with. It's a fraudulent procedure that was concocted by interrogators, not scientists.
My best advice to you is to cancel your lie detector test and not subject yourself to this degrading pseudoscientific ritual.
There is no research on the effects of pacemakers or blood pressure medication on polygraph results. But it doesn't matter. Polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis to begin with. It's a fraudulent procedure that was concocted by interrogators, not scientists.
My best advice to you is to cancel your lie detector test and not subject yourself to this degrading pseudoscientific ritual.
Posted by I am no liar
- Nov 08, 2018, 05:57 PMHi....I am going to do a lie detective test. I am absolutey telling the truth. I would like to know if my pacemaker would wrong the results in anyway. Also, I have high blood pressure which is controlled by medication....I suffer on a level 10 with stress...which is again controlled by medication and have read this shouldn't/make any difference.I would just like peace of mind that the results will still match my innocents?
Thanking you
Thanking you
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Sep 07, 2015, 01:51 PMJeff,
While it's possible that your history of heart problems had some influence on the outcome of your polygraph "test," you need to bear in mind that polygraphy has no scientific basis to begin with. Ultimately, there is little to be gained from trying to divine why an invalid procedure yielded an erroneous result. See our book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for a thorough debunking of polygraphy:
https://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf
You'll also see how polygraphy is inherently biased against truth-tellers.
While it's possible that your history of heart problems had some influence on the outcome of your polygraph "test," you need to bear in mind that polygraphy has no scientific basis to begin with. Ultimately, there is little to be gained from trying to divine why an invalid procedure yielded an erroneous result. See our book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for a thorough debunking of polygraphy:
https://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf
You'll also see how polygraphy is inherently biased against truth-tellers.
Posted by Jeff Palmer
- Sep 06, 2015, 02:03 PMI took a polygraph in 2006 and it showed deception and I resigned from a job in law enforcement. I knew that I had a heart murmur. A few years later, I had mechanical valve put in and also a Maze operation to get my heart in rhythm. My parents also have had heart problems and heart surgeries. I did not lie on the test. Could these medical issues and history of heart problems affect my polygraph?
Posted by NikonCharlie
- Jan 28, 2012, 07:47 PMMy friend Misty Croslin was recently told by prison doctor that she has heart mumor. She already knew because she was born with it. Failing poloy has caused her major problems. 
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 09, 2008, 02:55 PMLena,
While there is scant research on the effects of any medical conditions on polygraph results, it seems unlikely that such conditions as you mention would directly cause a false positive. But you should be aware that polygraphy has no scientific basis to begin with and is inherently biased against the truthful. False positives are common. For more on the scientific status of polygraphy, see Chapter 1 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and the sources cited there:
https://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf
While there is scant research on the effects of any medical conditions on polygraph results, it seems unlikely that such conditions as you mention would directly cause a false positive. But you should be aware that polygraphy has no scientific basis to begin with and is inherently biased against the truthful. False positives are common. For more on the scientific status of polygraphy, see Chapter 1 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and the sources cited there:
https://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf
Posted by Lena
- Dec 09, 2008, 11:13 AMI have mitral valve prolapse with regurgitation and also a heart murmur. Can either of these conditions, seperately or together, produce a false positive during an examination?